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Hitlers biggest War Mistakes

Discussion in 'Leaders of World War 2' started by AL AMIN, Oct 26, 2005.

  1. AL AMIN

    AL AMIN New Member

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    if you are intressted in ww 2 you will surley found out that Hitler made many times dumb and sensless dicisions i want to count em all at least the biggest
    1. give the bf-109 the contract and not the he-112
    2.missed to crush the bef at dunk
    3.strategy change in the bob from raf airfields to aera bombing
    4.canceld operation herkules
    5.orderd a development stop for the luftwaffe
    6.dident gave the me 262 turbos priority
    7.when he was conviced he wants it as a blitzbomber
    8.expands and over streches the frontline during fall blau
    9.stops the long range night fighter groups from attacking the bc over their bases
    10.dident allowed the 6th army to pull back
    11.dident allowed the Afrik korps to be evacuated from tunisia
    12.dident allowed to introduce the stg-44 when it was presented
    13.gave the v2 priority instead of the wasserfall
    14.dident want to belive the landing took place in normandy
    15.dident allowed Rommel to use his Tanks imideatly to crush the Landing on the beaches
    16.fired some of the worlds finest generals and staff officers
    17.orded the german atlantic subs to the mediteranean
    Oh weee if i think about it may be he was actually working for the allies secretly :lol:
    any more mistakes just ad em
     
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    That he holded his troops and did not capture the mass of allied troops.
     
  3. AL AMIN

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    where? do you mean dünkirchen?
     
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    Declared war on the USA
     
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    Declared war on Russia, which was too large to conquer, and Britain, which was too powerful navally to invade, and the US, which was too powerful economically to overcome and too far distant to invade. In general, Hitler's greatest and most inevitable mistake was to start the war.
     
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    yeah i know thats for sure but if he dident about what were we talking posting thinking playing etc
     
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    All right then. Several of your points are debatable.

    The ME262 wasn't that great a plane, as Simon has repeatedly explained on these forums. It would not have done better service than for example the FW-190D.

    It is hard to determine whether or not this would have actually worked. It is obvious that the decision to compromise between Rommel's ideal (all armour close to the beaches) and Von Rundstedt's ideal (a central mobile reserve) made the whole situation unworkable since both plans could work properly only if they were used in full and recieved all reserves. However it is not so easy to say "if Rommel would have gotten access to his armoured divisions the invasion would have failed" because this doesn't change the strategical or tactical situation the German command was in in France at the time. They did not have freedom of command because Hitler meddled with everything down to regimental level; they did not have adequate supplies; they lacked all kinds of support including artillery and air power; their troops were unsatisfactory.

    Then again, that is of course not what you're saying. I would rephrase Hitler's mistake in this as "failing to make a choice between Rommel's and Von Rundstedt's idea of the best defence against invasion" - the compromise ultimately made the entire initial defence unworkable.
     
  8. AL AMIN

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    well i dont understand why you are always bashing the wonderfull me-262
    i red so many books and documentarys were great german aces and also allied pilots especally general galland testified that this aircraft would not win the war for germany but it could stop the allied bombings of the reich and allow germany to gain airsupermacy over europe and i respect your opinions and think that most members here are skilled war experts but sorry i give more on the word of a real pilot who flew in this war and with this machiene
    and second i havent said that rommel and his plan were enough to crush the invasion but with the tanks on the coast it would be a much more bloody trip for the allies then it was
    so we all can be glad that hitler was such a dumb ass or otherwise the jerrys would beaten the shit out of us
     
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    Nothing indicates that the pilots who flew this plane actually had the insight in the general war situation required to say anything sensible about Germany regaining air supremacy. Logically, an unreliable and hardly manoeuverable fighter with notoriously unstable weapons was not going to regain Germany anything in its lifetime.

    Maybe, unless Allied naval and air artillery would have simply increased German losses. I doubt, however, that the Germans could have won in Normandy.
     
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    that was the reasons why the allies stopped making plans about how to kill him (the britisch had a very good one, i explain a minute later)
    in the end, hitler made so many stupid mistakes that when they killed him, somebody better would come to power who was knowing what he did


    Britisch plan to assasine hitler (at brechtensgarden)
    1) buy one of his cooks to put poison in his breakfast
    2) when hitler goes for a walk, a sniper takes him out (when the cook failed)
    3) if that also failed: someone with a bazooka shall blow up his tea house when he's in it
    4) if he survives even that (or the bazoaka missed or didn't worked), you drop a regeiment of paratroopers to capture brechtensgarden
    5) if hitler manneged to escape by car, someone with a bazooka will blow op the car
    6) call Bomber Command and tell them to blow up brechtensgarden with a thousand bombers
     
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    Did you read Simon's posts in the Air Warfare section???

    Anyway, Hitler's big mistakes include creating a system that can only maintain itself long-term by conquest. Oh, and failing to start a war economy earlier.
     
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    Apparently not. Al Amin, if you can explain to me how the Me262 could have won Air Supremacy in Europe (A very tall order, this would have had to make it too dangerous for any Allied Aircraft to fly anywhere in Europe!) then I will concede the point, otherwise this just adds to my assertion that the Me262 is possibly one of the most over-rated aircraft of the war. It was fast (When it worked), but had unreliable engines, unreliable undercarriage and unreliable guns dedicated to bomber interception.
     
  13. AL AMIN

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    please not again
    just ask general of the fighters galland this question and he will tell ya why and many mores
    the few they had were bad but if mass production started in 42/43 as soon as she was avaible the allies had to face hunrrets of fighter instead of a few "schwärme" with specialised weapons and engienes
     
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    Indeed.

    Please have a careful read of this:

    http://www.fun-online.sk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2826

    and then carry on any discussion of the Me-262 there. We already have far too many topics on this plane (the one above is just the most recent) and I don't want to have to split this topic to make yet another. :evil:
     
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    I assure you Al Amin that I am as fed up trying to explain why the Me262 was not and could not have been the Wunderwaffen to sweep all before it as you probably are hearing it.

    Put simply it was good from a technical standpoint, and represented the future of combat aircraft, but to gain Air Supremacy with such a short ranged aircraft with all its limitations is just nonsense.

    If the Me262 really represented such a threat to the Allies they would and could have countered it with more advanced aircraft earlier, they chose not to. P-80 Shooting Stars were sent to Europe in 1945 prior to VE day, not to counter the Legendary Me262, but to counter the Ar234.

    If you can explain, rather than just saying "Because Galland says so" why the Me262 would have gained Air Supremacy over all of Europe, please feel free to do so, a topic in the Air Warfare thread would probably be best.

    The engines were not in production in 1942, therefore the aircraft could not have been operational in 1942. End of story. Development delays getting them into production (Which Hitler had little to do with) would have prevented the type becoming operational any earlier than historically happened. It wasn't Hitler's meddling that delayed production of the Me262 (The modifications required to make it a "Blitzbomber" were minor, let's face it), it was the practicalities of getting new technology into mass production where it had never been mass produced before.

    I'm sorry if you find it tedious that I contradict you, but all the while you post that these claims for the Me262 I will refute them unless I feel that you have proved me wrong to my satisfaction. If you are that fed up that I contradict you on this issue, please feel free to stop making these claims, otherwise as a member of this discussion group I have the right to disagree with you providing I observe the rules of the forum.
     
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    hello, Me 262 belongs in the Aircraft section, this is leaders of WW2 section and we are just talking about the biggest mistakes of Hitler.

    here's another one. he kept bombarding London whit V2 when he should have used them to destroy the port of Antwerps
     
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    I am aware of that Quillin.

    However, if you are going to comment on Hitler's mistakes that naturally invites debate in turn.
     
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    well to be fair Britain declared war on Germany first Germany had no choice but to declare war after war was declared on them now was there?
     
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    Umm, didn't Germany know in advance that both France and Britain had a treaty/obligation to/with Poland if it should be invaded to go to it's aid? I.E. to fight it's agressor.

    Given this, it seems to me that Germany (Hitler and his cronies) did have a choice and wanted war, since they invaded Poland with no reason, in the full knowledge that it would bring conflict with Britain and France.

    Another big mistake since Germany wasn't on a war footing or economy.
     
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    12.dident allowed to introduce the stg-44 when it was presented
    i dont think this really could of changed the war
     

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