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How About a Group Build

Discussion in 'World War 2 Hobbies' started by Boba Nette, Sep 20, 2006.

  1. Simonr1978

    Simonr1978 New Member

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    I think that leaves it a bit too wide myself. I think you've either got to tie it down to a specific type (Then leave individuals to chose the variants themselves), or alternatively narrow it down to year (Either nation specific or general, i.e. an AFV that was in service in 1943 as an example).

    The problem with leaving it so open is that it then becomes just a batch of models made around the same time, rather than a group build.
     
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    1950willys New Member

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    Just to throw my .02 in...

    I would limit the build to a specific "family", example, must be a panzer III or panzer IV ( enough differences to give the modelers a decent choice of variety, but not so different as to end up with a group build of totally unrelated vehicles). The German Halftrack is also a good choice.

    Limit the build to Out of the box, perhaps allow modification of kit parts, but no scratchbuilding or aftermarket detail sets.

    Time limit, this one is a toughie..everyone has different amounts of time they can devote, a build in a smaller scale may help out with this...

    All of my stash is 1/35, but i dont imagine it would be too difficult for me to go to the hobby store and get something in a smaller scale
     
  3. Simonr1978

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    Here's my tuppence worth.

    I'd like to see the group build as a competition. Scratch building allowed, but limited to "Out-of-box" and scratched accessories, no P.E. or manufactured after-market accessories.

    Limited either by type (i.e. Pz.IV, but within that type anything goes), year, or a sort of national cross-section (competitors get to choose from a list of types chosen by nation and year, for example, if you picked Germany 1944 that would give a wide range of types but only one competitor could chose each model).

    The winner is decided on votes from the admin and Panzerprofile who can chose whatever criteria they wish, modelling skills, painting skills, historical accuracy, originality, whatever.

    The winner then gets to set the criteria for the next build.

    Models must not be commenced before the agreed start date (Have to trust an honesty system on this one). Models must be finished before the agreed completion dates (Pictures posted with 24 hours (Or 48 hours if agreeable) of close date/time). At least three images should be posted (Top, front, and one side minimum) for judging purposes. Scenic bases to be allowed within reason. Choice of scale is up to the modeller, obviously greater detail would be achieveable with 1/35, but greater detail would be expected of 1/35.

    Thoughts?
     
  4. Boba Nette

    Boba Nette New Member

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    My official vote will go to German half-tracks,any scale,no limits on after market parts,with a six week time limit.I'm not keen on the competition part since there most likely will be limited participation and varying skill/experience levels.I'd love to see forum members building their first kit.Start and end dates to be determined by the moderator.
     
  5. JCalhoun

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    The only drawback to making it too specific is some folks won't bother with doing it if they are not interested in the vehicle chosen.

    It would probably be better to have a wider variety to choose from in the beginning and, if we decide to continue this in the future, we will have a better understanding of what works well and what needs to be different.

    For this build I would say choose the following:
    1. A common nation (Germany, US, UK, etc.)

    2. A common type (half-track, tank, assualt gun, etc.)

    3. A common scale (all 1/72, 1/35, 1/48)

    4. No scratchbuilding, PE or aftermarket parts, all models must be out of box kits.
     
  6. Boba Nette

    Boba Nette New Member

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    1/48 scale would be interesting.It's relatively new in armor modelling.
     
  7. JCalhoun

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    Yep, and not terribly expensive either.
     
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    me262 phpbb3 New Member

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    other than 1/35, nope, sorry i can not participate!!!!
     
  9. PanzerProfile

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    Alright guys, defining game rules turn out to be rather difficult due to a various set of reasons. Since I'd probably be involved in judging the resultts, I thought i'd just write out a rough draft of rules to apply. Remember, only a rough draft so everyone can still give thoughts. When we've got most (preferably all) members to agree upon it, we'd start the game.
    For the judging of the results, I'd like to use a system based on points, so everyone can see where his model scored good, or very bad. This makes the outcome clear and understandable for everyone, so that noone will feel insulted. Guidelines and categories for this pointssystem are to follow later on.

    Here it goes:

    1.scale
    Personally, I'd like to see 1/72, but I already saw this is going to be a problem for some. Therefore I would propose:
    No scale limitations but the jury team will watch details carefully when judging the result. It might involve that greater scales get less points for, say, hand made details, but a little extra for difficulty.

    2. model
    I think it would be best to decide on one model or one family of a model (for example "sherman" or "pz4") indeed, this might involve that people loose interest, but we have to make some choice. AND, there might as well be a second game wherein a model of his preference could be put forward. I'm open to suggestions.

    3. further rules
    The proposed rules mentioned earlier seemed fair. Therefore, I'd like to stick to -out of the box modelling (no additional parts)
    -no PE parts
    - no dioramas. I consider those as a different category. That would involve a lot of extra details and additional parts that are not in the tanks' box.

    This is my first set of rules. Any thoughts on this?
    I'll get myself to build a judging form as soon as possible.
     
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    Boba Nette New Member

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    This sounds acceptable to me.However,I personally like to add spare parts out of the bits box.Extra track,wheels and stowage to name a few.
    But I'll go along with the afore mentioned rules to get the tank rolling.
     
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    Well, you may have a point. My thought was this: When extra details like spare parts are allowed, there's virtually no limit in how much you can add to your out of the box model, making it almost impossible to compare it to the others. Next to that, it puts people who already have so many spare parts in advance, which could be seen as a false start.

    On the other hand, I think, it would add a lot to the model, and it might be possible to make some category with points for originality. Therefore if anyone has strong arguments in favour of allowing spare and extra parts, I would be willing to listen.
    Any thoughts?

    Btw, I'm working on a set of guidelines along wich the jury will judge the tanks. As soon as it's finished, I shall put it forward to admin so we can start asap.
    More thoughts on game rules mentioned here and above would be appreciated :D
     
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    we might want to run a poll on which tankfamily's going to be the first game. :cool:
     
  13. Simonr1978

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    I think in all fairness we have a pretty good and honest group on here, there's going to have to be a certain amount of trust here so I'd personally definitely allow scratch-built extras (That's down to modelling skill after all) and I'd allow whatever is in the old "Bits Box" to encourage individuality and modelling flair.

    But I'd say no to buying in any extras especially for the build (i.e. PE parts or accessory kits) as this automatically puts those who have a bigger wallet at an unfair advantage.

    Basically start with the kit, paints and whatever else you have at home or can make yourself.
     
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    I can certainly agree with this. Sounds reasonable! point taken ;)
     
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    As this is the first group build, I think it should be kept as simple as possible. Just the basics for now. If this turns out well, we can always add more details to the next one. Let's see how this one works out first.

    Also, when judging one needs to take into accout that some folks will not have as good of photography skills and equipment as others. This will affect the quality of the images. A really good model may only look so-so in a poorly made picture.
     
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    A poll to determine what the subject will be is a great idea.

    We could do it stages. One could be voting on the nation or Allies or Axis, etc. Then, once that is decided, we could vote on what the vehicle will be.
     
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    Let's get started with a poll on Axis or Allied.Then we can decide on the nation.
     
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    I will set it up...
     
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    I think that one build should be a conversion. For example, take a basic Sherman kit, and make a specialised version out of it (Calliope, Crab, Arc, whatever)
     
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    You mean someone of us has to build a conversion?Or would you like to see that? I don't really understand the exact meaning of your post :-?
     

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