the German Air Force ace Erich Hartmann shoot down 352 planes during the wwii in the estern, is it true or False?? my friends have the different opion about it ,some said these 352 Victories are true, but some one said only about 70 plane shoot down by him can you give me some Materials, The best materials of the German official websit ,thank you !
The German kills were counted by the number of engines shot down. A four-engine bomber would count for four kills.
sorry ,but i don't agree with you ,i have some Materials for you System Luftwaffe worked as follows: 1. One downed plane, the precise camera guns or two other witnesses, gave a full credit, regardless of the number of engines on the downed enemy planes. Shoot down the plane was recorded on a personal account only if it was recorded collapsed in the air, enveloped in flames, abandoned by his pilot in the air or recorded his fall to the ground and destroyed. 2. If the destruction of enemy aircraft, involved more than one pilot, all involved in the pilots had to decide themselves among themselves which of them, only one will receive at the expense of that victory. If pilots are not able to come together for any reason, as flying in different parts, or were unable to reach agreement, none of them did not get into your personal account no. Only a portion associated with this victory, could add one aircraft shot down to his general account. 3. There was a point system for awarding medals pilots and marks of distinction, which had no analogues in the system of personal accounts of the Allied air forces. German points system operated only on the Western Front, and for the purposes of awarding marks of distinction Points are awarded as follows: Knocked down a single-engine airplane 1 point Knocked down a twin-engine plane 2 points Knocked down trimotor 3 points Knocked down four-engine plane 4 points Salvage single-engine plane 0,5 points Salvage twin-engine plane 1 point Damaged 3-or 4-engine plane 2 points The destruction has damaged twin-engine plane 0,5 points The destruction has damaged 3 or 4-engine airplane 1 point The Germans also attached great importance to the ability of a fighter pilot to separate the individual from Allied bombers order in which they were flying. Thus, the German pilot could not get a grade for the damage to the bomber, if he did not separate it from the system. Such a separation Germans called "herausshyus" - "snatching". The fact that this scoring system, with all its ramifications and terrorized the rules are often confused with the normal procedure recording victories in the personal account, clearly shows a very erroneous previously published materials on the German fighter pilots.
i just want to konw ,is there some Official proof, why some one said Hartmann only shoot down about 70-75 planes!! 352 or 70, which is true？ i think some friends from western countries can help me to Solve this problem,thank you
Erich Hartmann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Erich Hartmann - Biography of Top German Ace of WW2 Erich Hartmann Please feel free to "google" the rest of the information at your leisure.
Hartmann definately shot down more than 70. He didnt get his Knights Cross till he shot down almost 150.
the point system was so lax and laughable on all fronts it was dispensed with by 43. no Opap 4 engines bombers were given a credit of 1 kill. Case in point was the destruction of US 4-engine heavies by the 3 Sturmgruppen in summer-fall of 1944. 1 bomber = 1 kill, same applied for the LW night fighters Hartmann through further study and tried cross checking is probably given an a count of 125 craft or less. Of course then comes the point who had the highest number of confirmed victories
