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I believe the West would have let him fight just Russia and not have gotten involved if he left Poland out of it. They wanted Communism destroyed one way or another.

 

Maybe so, but it would be nearly impossible for Germany to go to war with Russia without first entering Poland. That places that in the 'what if Germany had Leopard II tanks available in 1940/41' realm.

 

Poland was also anti-Communist and anti-Russian. If Germany and Poland worked something out over Danzig who knows? I know Germany wanted some kind of treaty with Poland (probably with a stipulation to allow troops in as a launching point to Russia).

 

Come now Gun lets use a little logic here.

There is no deal to be made over Danzig, it is the only access to the outside world that can not be closed off by diplomatic action alone.

Allowing a foreign army to march over your territory to attack another nation is in itself a act of war. Poland would also have to cede control of her internal rail net to Germany, turning her from a 'ally' to a vassal state. With that much access Poland would have to hope that having placed their neck in the German wolf's mouth it won't suddenly decide to bite down. Then if Germany succeeded how likely are they to allow a nation to sit astride their line of communication with their new Empire? One with a very large population they considered a grave 'race' threat to the Reich?

 

I didn't say it was realistic, but I remember reading different academic works citing that Germany tried to work with Poland and gain some type of alliance that would be useful to Germany, much like the Molotov deal with Germany, as it was ideal to Germany.

 

You look into the past backwards, from the present day perspective. First, you should have known that the main objective of German Reich was to re-gain all German territories lost in the Great War. Therefore, Czechoslovakia and Poland, created by dismembering two German Empires, weren't optional targets. Quite the contrary, Czechoslovakia and Poland were essential, main targets, more important than the 'ideological struggle' against the 'bolsevik peril'.

 

Annexation of parts of Czechoslovakia, Poland, Lithuania was one of the main goals of Nazi Germany (and Weimar Republic actually too.)
Although Hitler was ready to forget a claim for a good price (he gave some territory to Italy, and later the Italians did quite bad things to the Germans living there), but the Czechs, Poles, Lithuanians didn't have anything valuable to offer.
The deal offered to the Poles was: the territory first, then we would be friends and maybe invade somebody together.

 

Hitler offered to reestablish a Poland to Britain in August 1940 without claryfying what Poland will mean.
Czechoslovakia was completely different, he regarded it as a part of the future Greater German Reich. Hitler was austrian and tried to reintegrate all parts of the former Austro-Hungarian Empire with a large german population, Slovenia too.

Danzig and the territory around it would surely be demanded, to close the so called corridor.

An alliance with Poland was not absurd, Poland was at war with the Soviet Union in the 20ies. And won! So why not? But Poland wasn't interested, they refused to negotiate about borders because they had guarantees from France and Britain.

 

Poland lost .

 

Poland lost what or when?
In 1939?
Or the polish-soviet war?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War

 

No need to say explicitly: Generalgouvernment, a protectorate, source of cheap/free working force. Part of Slovenia, Untersteiermark was treated much better - directly incorporated into the Reich, with not much fuss. Even Hitler visited us once, im Marburg an der Drau. Below you may see a compilation of passages from Wochenschau April 1941 showing annexation of Untersteiermark to the Reich.

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ktgfbd91Fo[/media]

 

Poland was a usual eastern european country, he did not want to change Bulgaria or Croatia/Serbia into a protectorate.
No one knows which plans he had in early 1939 with Poland, when an alliance with the Soviet Union seemed impossible. In late 1940 the situation was completely different.

 

I don't know whetther you knew: there was also a German Government Banat, between Hungary, Serbia and Rumania.

 

Some say that but it's factless, in the half-a-year period before the guarantees were given Poland had refused several times already, stating every time that any unilateral German action against Poland would mean war. The guarantees didn't change anything.

 

Fact is, that the Wehrmacht didn't attack Poland until the Stalin-Ribbentrop treaty.
To regain the lost territory in the East always was an issue in Germany, especially Danzig was regarded as a truly german city, so there might have been a possibility to negotiate a peace by loosing some territory. But i agree, this wasn't an attractive choice for Poland. And no one knew, what would have happened later.

 

It wasn't just Danzig, the other demands were: an extraterritorial highway, and Poland joining the Anti-Comintern Pact.
The Anti-Comintern Pact was out of a question but the rest could have been negotiated.
The Polish negotiators frequently asked what was in it for the Poles, and never got any reasonable answer. We will be friends wasn't enough.

Poland would fight without the Allies too, the Polish leaders said that a few times earlier, before the Hitler's demands arrived. And the negotiators frequently stated "we are not the Czechs".
All the Polish parties supported this course of action, any deviation would destroy the ruling party. They simply had their backs to the wall.

 

A bit off-topic but still in parallel with the theme: Hitler visiting my hometown:
Adolf Hitler on a bridge crossing river Drava/Drau in my hometown Maribor (ger: Marburg).
My point is: the main objective of the Third Reich was to occupy all territories where Germans lived, every square inch,even if they were just a small fraction of population. Therefore omitting Poland from the plan was impossible - too many Germans were entrapped in the inter-war Poland. After the war, Poles made a ruthless clean-sweep. After 1945 Germans have ceased to exist behind the utterly unjust Oder-Niese line.

 

Poland lost in 1920: the Polish army advanced to Kiew and than had to retreat to Warsaw .

 

Sorry, but that's incorrect. The main aim of the Poles was to win acceptable borders on the East, not to reach some point on the map.
The main aim of the Soviets was to subjugate Poland, and reach the succumbing to revolution Germany.
They failed miserably and lost so dramatically that in the end offered more land the Poles ever wanted, and actually the Poles had to refuse (partially) their offer.

 

The idea and execution of the expulsions was the brainchild of the Allies. They were carried out by a puppet government they forced on Poland, by an Army stuffed to the hilt with Soviet generals and officers.
Actually the Poles cleansed from the annexed by the Soviets territories were treated brutally too. They had to travel for days (because of the much larger distance and, because the railroads were blocked by Soviet military transports), and frequently on flatcars.

And certainly not "all territories". The Italian annexed South Tyrol after the Great War, and proceeded with Italianization of its German population. Hitler did nothing to regain the territory and to stop the persecutions.

Additionally Germans from Romania, Baltic States and few other territories were removed and resettled in Poland.