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Is Alan Turing's effort code-breaking effort to the war exaggerated?

Discussion in 'Codes, Cyphers & Spies' started by DerGiLLster, Jul 19, 2015.

  1. RichTO90

    RichTO90 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, it is obvious you really got slammed by the stupid stick and haven't been able to recover. Now, not only are the sinkings of U-Boats random occurrence, but for Turing to have had any importance he has to have placed a depth bomb on a U-Boat prior to 1944.

    You truly need to be ignored as the troll you obviously are.
     
  2. RichTO90

    RichTO90 Well-Known Member

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    Sigh. No, Kaiser shipyards built 821 of the 2,710 Liberty ships built. 832 if those built under Kaiser administration at Rheem/Walsh-Kaiser, one of which was cancelled, are included. It would also be nice to see some evidence for the claim that the Kaiser shipyards took 2/3 the time of the others.
     
  3. Takao

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    1,490 was the total number of ships built by Kaiser shipyards...Not the number of Liberty ships.
     
  4. George Patton

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    The 1490 figure clearly is derived from assuming each of the 821 Kaiser ships makes 1.81 voyages across the Atlantic (1.81 x 821 = 1490). Reference: earlier in this thread, in which the merchant vessel-voyage duality was postulated.
     
  5. Takao

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    George for the win!

    Yes, I had forgotten that LJAd's penchant in this thread for multiplying the number of ship bottoms.
     
  6. steverodgers801

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    Actually LJAD yes he did personally help build the machines. I don't know why you are asking for proof of something. you will never acknowledge how wrong you are, and will not respond when you are shown how wrong you have been.
     
  7. LJAd

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    Your penchant of crediting individuals with successes which never had the importance you are giving them convinces me that you are still sticking in the atmosphere of the sixties where all allied/axis victories were explained by the actions of great generals, great politicians and great scientists and that you are still unwilling to admit the fact that WWII (as was WWI )was a war between industrial giants where the role of individuals was exaggerated/insignifiant ,sadly enough for those who are still dreaming of heros on white horses . Without Turing, Churchill, Roosevelt, Stalin, Hitler, the outcome of WWII would have been the same .
     
  8. green slime

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    That's a rather sweeping statement. I'm sure people are wondering what you really mean, considering the effect of removing those personages.
     
  9. LJAd

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    I am saying that in a war of attrition between industrial giants , the disappearance of a political/military leader was insignifiant .

    If Churchill died, an other Tory would succeed him, and this would not cause the failure of D Day .

    Britains minister of finance died during the war : importance : nihil .

    Todt died during the war : importance : nihil .

    Roosevelt died during the war : importance : nihil .
     
  10. LJAd

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    The whole story of Turing is chauvinistic waffling : when the first (von Münchhausen ) stories about Enigma appeared, the vultures of Fleet Street jubilated : more than 30 years they were forced to remain silent (which was a good thing for civilisation ),while the vultures of Hollywood annoyed the world (which was not a good thing for civilisation ) with their B movies about how the US won the war single-handed . One thing was good for civilisation= that meanwhile the B movies from Moscow were confined to the Soviet block .

    Now Fleet Street had its revenge : Britain had won the war single-handed, on which the Hollywood birds replied with an other B movie,"proving " that it was all the work of the US and that British claims were wrong .

    Fleet street replied indignantly that this was a lie : it was the work of a Britain, and even more: a gay .This was used by the gay vultures to demand even more concessions and apologies .

    And the Soviets ? Of course, they had no role in the movie : they were only illiterate barbarians .

    The truth is that there is no proof at all (and everything indicates the opposite ) that what Turing did had any influence on the outcome of the war : there is no evidence that his bombe influenced the speed /number of interceptings and decodings of German radio messages about the U Boat war, nor that these messages had any importance . Why would an increased speed of decoding of more messages have any influence ? One can easily argue the opposite . There is no proof that these decodings had any influence on the U Boat war = that without these decodings Germany could have won the U Boat war, neither is there any proof that if defeat of the U Boats was delayed for 2 months, that Overlord would have been delayed for 2 months,or for even one day . And there is no proof for the claim that the postponement of Overlord would have resulted in the prolongation of the war : this idea exists only in the brains of those who believe that Overlord was essential, belief founded exclusively on The Longest Day (an other B movie ) .
     
  11. RichTO90

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    So now it is a conspiracy by Fleet Street and "the gays" to manipulate history and obscure the brilliance of LjAd's "analysis"?

    You need to consider treatment by mental health professionals.
     
  12. LJAd

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    I am still waiting (till the cows are coming home ) on the FIRST proof that what Turing did was important for the outcome of the war, but after the cows returned home, there will still not be a proof .
     
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    Translation: "I have firmly inserted my fingers in my ears and am holding my breath till I turn blue, because no evidence will ever change my mind."
     
  14. Takao

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    Does anyone else think that LJAd's knowledge of WW2 comes from watching only B-movies?
     
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    Since your cows have now come home, how about posting your 100% incontrovertible proof concerning Henry Kaiser?

    LJAd moving at the speed of molasses in a Maine January.
     
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    LJAD what would you know of proof since you only deal in fantasy and make believe
     
  18. steverodgers801

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    You know LJAD even Hitler was right on occasion
     
  19. LJAd

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    He was mostly right .
     
  20. Takao

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    Fixed that for you.
     

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