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Jakie Muscar, 14th Tank Battalion, 9th Armored Division

Discussion in 'Military Service Records & Genealogical Research' started by mfortney, Jan 19, 2009.

  1. mfortney

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    My grandfather served as a cook in the 9th Armored Division and while I have gathered some information about his service, I'm hoping to find out more.

    One area that I'm having trouble researching is the exact unit he was in. I have a pamphlet from a Thanksgiving dinner at Camp Funston, Kansas (Fort Riley) that lists him in the "Service Company, 14th Armored Regiment, 9th Armored Division" (attached). My research has not provided many useful results regarding the 14th Armored Regiment. The only bit of information I've found states that the 14th Armored Regiment was broken up into the 14th and 711th Tank Battalions and the 14th Tank Battalion served under the 9th Armored. Since I've only found one source that stated this information I would like to confirm that it is accurate.

    That being said, I am fairly certain that my grandfather did end up in the 14th Tank but since I'm not a WWII expert, I'm reluctant to rely solely on my own research. The attached "Armored1" photo has some information that I believe confirms this but I wanted more expert eyes to confirm. Is it correct that the markings on the vehicle bumber indicate that he was in the 9th Armored, 14th Tank? This picture was among 50 or so pictures that my grandfather took while in the service. He is not the man pictured but there are several pictures with people in front of similar vehicles, including him.

    I have found the various histories of the 9th Armored online and I actually have an official Army map of their trek through Europe during the war but is there any other (more robust) document available?

    Additionally, I have been unable to find any information regarding service as a cook in the war. While it wasn't the most prestigeous job in the military, I am highly intrigued by the fact that my grandfather served as a cook and I would like to find out as much as I can about that position.

    My last few notes:

    We did go through the National Archives and all of his info was lost in the fire.
    I have the following items which I've used during my research:
    - The pictures I've mentioned, which are of fellow soldiers, armored vehicles and mostly terrain, some of which I know to be taken in Czechoslovakia.
    - A small book called "The Bridge" which is the story of the 9th siezing the Ludendorf bridge (see attached)
    - A Thanksgiving menu which list all members of the Service Company of the 14th Armored Regiment, 9th Armored Division. My grandfather is listed as a "Private (Recruit)."
    - My grandfather's "Ike" jacket with the 9th Armored patch on the right shoulder and an 8th Infantry patch on the left. I believe he was in the 8th infantry after his European tour.
    - A panaramic photo from the Desert Training Center.
     

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  2. Johnw

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    Jakie,

    My dad was with the company C 131st ordanance maintenance battalion 9th Armored Div. That's the same Combat Command B as the 14th Tank Battalion. I might have some address of people that might be able to answer some of your questions.

    John
     
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    Thanks for the reply John. I was trying to send you a private message but I guess I don't have that option. I have posted a conversation under your profile with my contact info though. Thanks.

    Matt
     
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    Matt, I missed your first message on the 19th of January. I apologize and judging by the dearth of responses, so did a lot of other guys.

    I will get you a reply to some of your questions tonight or tomorrow, when I get home.

    You mentioned photographs, I would like to see more of what you have. I'll bet that they are interesting.
     
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    According to Shelby Stanton's Order of Battle, US Army WWII, the 14th Armored Regiment was moved to the Desert Training Center, California 13 Jun 1943, where it was redesignated (less 3rd Batt, Maint. Co, Serv Co. and Recon Co) as the 14th Tank Battalion; the 3rd battalion and Recon Comopany redesignated 711th Tank Batt and Troop E 89th Recon Sqdn respectively. The remainder was disbanded.

    The 14th Tank Battalion was part of the 9th Armored.

    The 711th Tank Batt was an independent Batt and spent it's time in the Pacific in the Philipines and Okinawa. I cannot find that they were ever attached to a infantry division, as was the common practice in Europe. I have suspicions that individual companies were parceled out by Corps as needed.
    Repost the pics, I have changed your account to allow you post pics now. You didn't have permission to do so since you have to make 5 post and be a member 3 days before you can do so.
    Contact the Armor Center at Ft Knox, see what they can tell you US Army Armor Center - Fort Knox Kentucky
    We have a thread on army rations. Look through it to see if glean anything usefull, either direct info or clues. I make no promises.
    Please try to repost the pics. If you need help, contact me directly.

    Research the 9th Armored at these locations/battles
    St Vith
    Ermsdorf
    Bastogne
    Roer River in Soller region
    Wollersheim Langendorf
    Remagen, as you mentioned.
    Weid River
    Limburg
    Warburg
    Colditz
     
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  6. mfortney

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    Thanks for the info JW. Below are the photos mentioned in my original post.

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    Below are a few more of my pictures. Out of the 50 or so that I have, very few are written on and most of the writing is only people's names. However, through some extensive internet searching, I was able to identify the two photos below and have included their current counterparts.

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    These photos were taken in a town named Loket which is currently in the Czech Republic. The first 2 pictures are of Loket Castle and the other 2 are of Loket Town Hall. Those pictured in the 3rd picture should be members of the 14th Tank Battalion, 9th Armored Division.

    I'll try and get some of the more notable pictures scanned and posted later today.
     
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    That picture of him with the truck certainly shows that the vehicle was a 9th Armored Division/14th Armored Batt truck.

    The pre-packaged rations available to US troops made the role of the cook during combat less of a necessity, as had been during previous wars. However, I would suspect that the men sure appreciated a hot meal when they could get it. Your grandfather did a difficult job under arduous circumstances.

    I would have liked to have talked to him about the uncertainty during the last half of December, 1945 and if he made the crossing over or was able to see the Ludendorf Bridge before it collapsed.

    The 9th Armored was right in the mix of things on the northern shoulder of the Bulge early on and they contributed mightily to stemming the German flow along Vielsalm, St Vith and at Bastogne. It did not fight as a division at that time, it's Combat Commands were seperated and scattered and in some instances, even smaller units were parceled out in the early days of the German advance. I've not yet been able to find out to which Combat Command of the 9th AD the 14th AB was attached. That will help locating closer where your grandfather may have been.

    Also, research Task Force Rose.
    Task Force (or Team) Cherry

    I hope that you can find the information you are looking for.
     
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    Martin and Owen, how do you like those before and afters?
     
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    Martin and Owen, how do you like those before and afters?
     
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    Thanks again for the info. I'll continue to follow up on those items.

    Any idea on what company the cook would have been attached to? I'm fairly certain he was part of the HQ Co but I haven't found any confirmation of that.

    I was fortunate enough to find a small photo of the HQ Co of the 14th Tank Battalion on Ebay recently. It's hard to identify everyone pictured but I'm trying to confirm whether my grandfather should be in that picture or not. When I get the chance, I'll scan that as well.
     
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    He would have been in the Service Company, as a section of that Company's HQ.

    There were 6 Companies in a Tank Battalion.
    HQ Company
    Service Company
    3 Medium Tank Companies (A,B & C)
    1 Light Tank Co. (D)
     
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    Matt,

    you can e-mail me for info at john_@q.com

    John
     
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    I've uploaded some of the more notable photos to my gallery. I didn't want to post them all here as they're interesting but not significant to my research.

    I did want to inquire about the photo below, however. Does anyone know what the "SA" painted on the tank stands for?

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    Given the location on the tank, it is probably something specific to them.
     
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    Hi,
    My Dad was also a cook with the 9th Armored. His name was Charles Satterfield. He probably went by Charlie. I too have the booklet you have. I have very few photos. But will try to post some that I do. I have a picture of Daddy and someone else in an apron and chef's hat. Daddy would never speak of the war. My brother and I have been trying desperatly to find out about his service. My brother has a nazi flag that through family members we believe Daddy took it down in France. We did not see any of the artifacts until after Daddy died. My brother has the yearbook type book from Fort Riley.

    I will post more info later.

    Marsha Satterfield Gravitt
     
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    Hi,
    I too am looking for info on my grandfathers service. I have recently found his Separation paper. He served in Co. B. 14th tank Battalion 9th Armored Division. Slipdigit, I think that would mean that the 14th was under Command B? On the Separation paper, the section for Battles and Campaigns says Central Europe. The section for Decorations and Citations says American Theater Ribbon, European-African-Middle Eastern Ribbon with 1 Bronze Battle Star, Good Conduct Metal, Victory Metal WWII. My grandfather was also a cook, the paper says he went to Cook and Bakers School Shefford Field Texas. Grandpa didn't like to talk about the war either. He did tell me once that he started out as a cook, but ended up driving a tank during the war because a buddy of his had taught him how and they needed a driver after someone had been killed in action. That might explain the Bronze Star.

    I have been looking for info about the 9th Armored also. The National Archives said that his records were lost in the fire also. Is there any way to find out what the Bronze Star was awarded for?

    Hope this little bit of info might of use to someone. I too would apreciate any thoughts or info anyone might have.
     
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    Thanks for the reply Mwafford. To answer your first question, I have been able to confirm through numerous sources that the 14th tank was under Combat Command B. As for researching the division, there is no official unit history for the 9th armored or 14th tank. You've probably come across the various information scattered around the internet but there isn't a lot of detail in most of that. The unofficial history is probably the best place to look and that book is called Phantom Nine, Remagen 1942 to 1945 by W.E. Reichelt. It's currently out of print but can be found on Amazon from used sellers.

    I am reading through the book now and hope to pull more detailed information about the 14th tank/CC B. With the lack of information available about the 9th armored, I'd really like to get a website up and running to display all of my research. It's not something I'm going to achieve immediately but hopefully not too far off.

    If a medal was not physically claimed by the veteran, it can be claimed by the next of kin. I'm not sure on the exact process involved but it may shed some light on your grandfather's medals.
     
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    My father, Robert Sheehan, was in the Ninth Armored Division, in the tanks. He just told me that he wants to retrace his itinerary before he dies. Can you please lay out for me where the 9th Armored went? He has spoken to us about Remagen and Bastogne but I'm not sure where else. I'd like to plan a trip for the Fall as he's turning 89 in August. Thank you. Maryanne Kelleher
     
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    Landed Normandy Oct 1944

    By Late October, Ninth was in NW Luxembourg, as part of VIII Corps.

    The division was split on the eve of the Battle of the Bulge, with one Combat Command (can't remember if it was A or B)* moved north to support the Roer River attacks that were be conducted by the 2nd & 99th Infantry Division.

    If he was in the 9th Armored and at Bastogne, he was part of Combat Command R (CCR), of the 9th Armored. Read this to get some idea of where he was around Bastogne: Chapter 13-THE ARDENNES: BATTLE OF THE BULGE
    If he was a part of this group, he was fortunate to have come out alive and not a POW.

    *US Armored divsions (except the 2nd & 3rd Armored) were divided into "combat commands", lettered A, B & R(eserve). The idea was to provide a flexible command structure. Various units were added and removed as needs dictated, but in practice, the core of the commands were static. CCR was often the smaller of the three commands.

    I'll get you more info later, it is late. You can lookup the 9th Armored in Google and find a good bit of information.
     

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