Welcome to the WWII Forums! Log in or Sign up to interact with the community.

Jumbo Sherman partial restoration

Discussion in 'WWII Today' started by TD-Tommy776, Aug 15, 2017.

  1. TD-Tommy776

    TD-Tommy776 Man of Constant Sorrow Patron  

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2011
    Messages:
    6,412
    Likes Received:
    854
    Location:
    The Land of 10,000 Loons
    I was at Camp Ripley near Little Falls, MN this past weekend for the 75th Anniversary event for the 99th Infantry Battalion (Separate). While there, I was able to take a few snapshots of the recently restored Jumbo that is in the Minnesota Military Museum collection. The restoration was pretty much limited to the exterior. The Bismarck Tribune has a nice article discussing the restoration project.

    JumboSherm2lf.jpg


    JumboSherm3lf.jpg


    JumboSherm4lf.jpg


    JumboSherm5lf.jpg
     
    Otto, belasar, KJ Jr and 5 others like this.
  2. Half Track

    Half Track Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2017
    Messages:
    124
    Likes Received:
    36
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    Good article, that is a great job of restoring a great tank. They are very fortunate to have it. Great photos and thanks for posting them!
     
  3. RichTO90

    RichTO90 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2015
    Messages:
    1,036
    Likes Received:
    267
    A minor correction to the article. The M4A3E2 was not developed to defeat the Panther or Tiger. It was developed as an interim assault tank for the invasion of the Europe and breaching the German shore defenses, but was delivered too late for that mission.
     
    USMCPrice likes this.
  4. TD-Tommy776

    TD-Tommy776 Man of Constant Sorrow Patron  

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2011
    Messages:
    6,412
    Likes Received:
    854
    Location:
    The Land of 10,000 Loons
    A friend just forwarded me a link to Pierre-Olivier Buan's Flickr page with 58 photos of the interior of the Camp Ripley Jumbo. To say it needs a bit of work is a major understatement. Pierre-Olivier was the consultant mentioned in the article above.
     
    Half Track and von Poop like this.
  5. von Poop

    von Poop Waspish WW2|ORG Editor

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2006
    Messages:
    5,698
    Likes Received:
    1,389
    Location:
    Perfidious Albion
    When you consider it's 70+ years old, and has likely never been spruced up, that's actually not too bad.
    Most of the fittings intact.

    I'm slightly ashamed of this nerdish reaction; but the one thing it really needs & that immediately looks a little wrong when missing on a Jumbo, is the set of duckbills.
    I know you don't always see pictures of them fully fitted, but they ought to be there.
    Wonder how hard they are to find... oil-covered bloke I chatted to at Beltring once said tracks were quite easy to get with the application of cash. Seems unlikely for such fitting, unless millions were kept in storage somewhere.
     
  6. Half Track

    Half Track Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2017
    Messages:
    124
    Likes Received:
    36
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    Still, very interesting! Thanks
     
  7. TD-Tommy776

    TD-Tommy776 Man of Constant Sorrow Patron  

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2011
    Messages:
    6,412
    Likes Received:
    854
    Location:
    The Land of 10,000 Loons
    In a perfect world... :) I suspect they were operating with a limited budget and had to make some tough decisions. I do like that they mounted a .30 cal MG barrel. It looks much better than just plugging the hole, as some have done.
     
    von Poop likes this.
  8. George Patton

    George Patton Canadian Refugee

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2010
    Messages:
    2,689
    Likes Received:
    739
    Location:
    Ontario, Canada
    Depends on what type. I would assume VVSS track is easier to find, but just try to find some HVSS track in good condition! If you come across a source let me know... I could use about 10 links... *ssshhh* ....
     
    Otto and von Poop like this.
  9. von Poop

    von Poop Waspish WW2|ORG Editor

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2006
    Messages:
    5,698
    Likes Received:
    1,389
    Location:
    Perfidious Albion
    :D
    This was a while back.
    Presumably condition is the embuggering word there?

    Like I said: ashamed of my nerdish reaction to Jumbo - it's a rare beauty (Shadock reckons maybe 9 survivors), and I approve of all attempts to preserve such. Merely a detail.
    Should it be on rubber blocks?.. Nice set of Chevrons or steel tread would finish it off? (See. I did it again. Cannot help myself.)
     
    TD-Tommy776 likes this.
  10. George Patton

    George Patton Canadian Refugee

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2010
    Messages:
    2,689
    Likes Received:
    739
    Location:
    Ontario, Canada
    Correct. Rubber track (I am looking for T84 pattern) wears over 75ish years -- it is difficult to find some in NOS condition. I am a few links short... would like to complete the collection so to speak.
     
  11. TD-Tommy776

    TD-Tommy776 Man of Constant Sorrow Patron  

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2011
    Messages:
    6,412
    Likes Received:
    854
    Location:
    The Land of 10,000 Loons
    Was there any official record kept which would indicate to which unit a particular M4A3E2 was assigned? By unit, I mean at any level. I recall reading on the Shadock website that they were not tracked by SN/RN, but by "Tank, Medium" or something like that.
     
  12. RichTO90

    RichTO90 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2015
    Messages:
    1,036
    Likes Received:
    267
    The sad truth is that postwar the vehicle record cards were destroyed to "save space". In the same way the Artillery School decided to destroy all the battery firing records. So we have no clear record of where various production runs went and the M4A3E2 is especially difficult to track. 254 were built and 246 to 252 made it to Europe, with around 70 returned at the end of the war to CONUS.
     

Share This Page