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Map of Nomeny

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  1. MTarr

    MTarr New Member

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    Good day all,

    I am researching my Grandfathers experience during 1944. He was a replacement rifleman trained at Camp Croft S.C, attached to the 80th 317th 2nd G Co. as a BAR gunner. As far as I can tell so far, he only spent the month of November on the front lines before getting trench foot and being sent through hospitals back to the states. I have copies of the Morning reports of his unit, which for the month of Nov all seem to reference coordinates from a 1/50,000 Map of Nomeny, France. Example (35.7/32.9 Map of Nomeny 1/50,000)

    Is there any database or collection of maps available to possibly find this map? or any way of turning these coordinates into GPS? I am assuming I would need that map to find exact locations. I saw some posts on converting MBCS coordinates, but I'm not certain those are MBCS coordinates.


    I know the City/towns the traveled through/near, it would just be great to know exact positioning.

    For those interested the locations were, in order:
    Pont-a-Mousson, Atton, Eply, Raucourt, Han-sur-Nied, Adaincourt, Herny, Many, Faulquemont, Pontpierre, Teting, Folschviller, Petit Ebersviller, Macheren, Guenviller.
     
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  3. MTarr

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    I will try that out Rich, thank you. Unfortunately the Archives are closed for the time being but when I am able to order I will try.
     
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    TD-Tommy776 Man of Constant Sorrow

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    What is it that makes you think they are not MBCS coordinates? All the US Army MRs from the ETO that I have seen use 6-digit (ignoring the decimal point) MBCS coordinates. Granted, that does not mean the must be MBCS. Did you try using the coordinates translator?
     
  5. MTarr

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    All the coordinates are 3 digits with a decimal before the last, ie 35.7-32.9, which led me to figure they are not MBCS and a referring to a specific map grid.
     
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    Nomeny.jpg

    I was able to find this image someone posted in a collection from a major in the 80th. I shrunk it down to post it here but the version I downloaded is just legible enough that I think I can make a reproduction of its scale, coverage and grid.

    Some of what it says:
    Eastern France Nomeny First Premiere Edition Sheet XXXIV 14 (?)
    1:50,000 Scale 2cm per KM
    Reproduced at the Ordnance Survey 1944 from French 1:50,000 map dated 1928
    The grid on this sheet has been adjusted to the old triangulation
    Longitude of Paris: 2' 20' 14' E. of Greenwich(?)
    For additional terms not included in this abbreviated references see O.R 1471 Eastern France 1:50,000 conventional sign sheet

    Nord de Querre Zone 49' 30' 00' N. 7' 44' 14' E. of Greenwich(?)
     
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    TD-Tommy776 Man of Constant Sorrow

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    I don't see how that disqualifies the MBCS. With only the coordinates and no other relevant info, it's impossible to know for sure.
     
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    I was able to track down an image of the Map that was used - see above post. The map has a grid 81 - 100 - 01- 08 X axis and 21 - 41 Y axis. These were the coordinates being referenced in the morning reports.
     
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    The "Modified British System" used by the British and Americans in NWE used an overlay of 1:100,000 mapsheets. Each in turn consisted of four !;50,000 sheets, and then each of those four 1:25,000 sheets. The "Coordinates Translator" is geared to the 1:100.000 maps.
     

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