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Discussion in 'The Guns Galore Section' started by liang, Sep 15, 2004.

  1. liang

    liang New Member

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    Anyone know what this is? It is mounted on a 6-wheeled carriage, which meant it would have to be towed by trucks or halftracks. Do those look like 88mm guns? Mayabe for AA purpose?

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    Hello.
    It is a 12.8cm Flakzwilling 40,originally know as Gerät 44.
    First use in 1942 for the defence of Berlin.
    The charriot on which this gun twins rests is not that of origin
    Patrice
     
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    Thank you Patrice. Wow, twin mounted 12.8cm guns, that is even more menacing than the 88mm, isn't that a little over-killed? I can't imagine too many gun platforms can absorb the force of two 5-inch guns going off simultaneously.
     
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    It wasn't mobile, but was intended to be firmly bolted down to massive reinforced concrete Flak towers.

    Tony Williams: Military gun and ammunition website and discussion
    forum
     
  5. liang

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    You don't mean those same mammoth flak towers around the Berlin Zoo which which gave the Red Army trouble.
     
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    Hello liang.
    Some information about on this gun, from the book “German Artillery of World War Two” of Ian V. Hoog , Arms and Armour Press.
    I quote:
    “In the search for effective anti-aircraft defences within Germany, it was decided in 1940 to built Flak Towers (Flaktürme) for the defence of the major cities.
    These citadels were intended to mount the 15cm anti-aircraft guns and to be placed so that, by virtue of their height and location, they were able to fire in all directions without being restricted by buildings.
    This might otherwise have been the case on a ground level site in a built-up aera.
    Since the 15cm gun was unlikely to be available for some time, the 12,8cm gun was proposed as an emergency substitute; a single 12,8cm gun, however, would have been an uneconomic employment of the towers and so a twin-gun equipment the 12,8cm Flakzwilling 40 (Innsbruck), was developed and installed.
    The first was erected in Berlin in 1942, and by the war’s end 34 such twin guns had been installed in the towers”
    End of quotation.
    Some additional information.(from Small Arms,Artillery and Special weapons of the Third Reich of Terry Gander and Peter Chamberlain, Edition Macdonald and Janes’s. London
    12,8cm Flakzwilling 40.
    Calibre :128mm.
    Length of piece 7835mm (L/61).
    Length of barrel 7490mm.
    Length of riffling 6477mm.
    Weight emplacemend 26.000 kg.
    Weifht of each gun 4820 kg.
    Traverse 360°
    Elevation 0° to +87°.
    Muzzel velocity 880 m/sec.
    Shell weight (each firing) :2x29 kg =52 kg.
    Maximum vertical 14,800 m.
    Rate of fire (each barrel) : 12-14 rpm.
    Barrel life 1000/2000 rounds.
    And a photo of a Flakzwilling in position (but I do not remenber where I found it)
     
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    Famous picture. Good work Patrice!

    Actually it was an adaptation of this gun (the L/55 version) that armed the JagdTiger.
     
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    I'd hate to have those things shooting at me, I can tell you. How accurate and powerful were they? As good as the dreaded 88?
     
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    Can you imagine if they use these high-velocity guns for anti-tank purposes? I would be climbing out of my hatch the moment I saw those guns pointing at me.
     
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    Hello.
    It was accurate like the 88 but more powerful, its principal defects: complex and costly to produce, and its lack of mobility, as Tony Williams writes this gun was fixed on a concrete basis.
    It was also more complex in maintenance.
    it was not produced in great number, less than one around fifty if my informations are good .
     
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    Better. Or would you consider that worse? In the case of being the target, I would. :(
     
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    Think "belt fed, or clip fed auto loader"! :kill:
     
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    Scary thought... :eek:
     
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    Hi

    Statistically they needed 12.000 shots with 8,8 cm Flak 36 or 9500 shots with 8,8 cm flak 41 or 6500 shots with 10,5 cm Flak 39 or 4000 shots with 12,8 cm Flak 40 to kill one allied bomber.

    Yours

    tom! :wink:
     
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    :eek:

    That's sick! I mean, a fleet of bombers flying in formation on a very predictable course - you can't miss it can you!
     
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    Yes you can. You need to have speed, altitude, heading, distance and possible dive angle correct. And still you will be missing most of the time.
     
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    After a little research it would appear that anti-aircraft was a good moral booster or V1 killer, that is about it.
     
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    Brings back the age old concept, the best anti-aircraft weapon is another airplane, the best anti-tank weapon is another tank (I know some of you disagree), the best anti-submarine weapon is another...... okay maybe not. :D :smok:
     
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    In WW2 maybe that would be true, but apparently in this period of time the aircraft seems to do all those tasks in a great way.
     

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