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Most Evil men of WW2

Discussion in 'Leaders of World War 2' started by KBO, Oct 14, 2004.

  1. Blaster

    Blaster New Member

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    And Japanese liberators? Pah. Japanese destroyers are more like it. Everyone agrees, no?
     
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    I've been down" That " road myself , and it doesn't wash !!

    first the aggregate numbers of jewish persons missing from europe is
    around 5.5 millions , civilians death , fighting , some small emigration
    a large numbers killed by germans or auxilliaries in the east
    , a certain quantity of freelancing by the local populations
    still leave under three millions missing
    the concentrations camps account for another million,
    the rest , under two millions is the number deliberately gassed
    there is no proof than hitler ordered the "final solution "
    probably because he didn't , he didn't have to ,
    it happened as a logical consequence of all his doctrine , well understood
    by all the subordinates .
    there is two schol of though on the subject ,

    - the intentionalists hold than it was a clear policy from the begining

    - the functionalists hold than it "evolved " from local initiatives and
    procedures

    it is not one or the other either , some nazis would give various
    motivations origins or imperatives for the same acts .
    but at the end , about three millions people passed behind barbed wire
    and did not come out .
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  3. Simonr1978

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    Jaeger, I agree with you entirely, plus as the same gentleman also pointed out with the paranoid degree of control Hitler exerted over the German Army after July 20th 1944 it seems impossible that he could not know about the Final Solution. Quite aside from the Moral issues the Final Solution was a huge logistical drain on the Nazi regime, and Hitler would have almost certainly wanted to know why all those cattle trucks weren't being used to move his pet Wunderwaffen nearer the front.

    Blaster, I also agree with you entirely on the Japanese, but the fact the names of the Japanese leaders and war criminals are less well known and far less prosecuted than their Nazi contemporaries doesn't make them any less evil.
     
  4. jeaguer

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    back on the subject of evil :-?

    - I cannot see a mad politican ,a ruthless tyran or delusional warriors
    as evil per see .
    - for me the true touch of evil is in people like dr.mengeles who as a
    doctor experimented on humans in the concentration camp
    , this kind of creep make a commissar , an SS or a japannese officer
    seems like naughty kids with toilet training problems .
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    I think one evil figure often overlooked is Mao ZeDong. An estimated 44 million of his people were killed or starved under his regime, and thats not including WW2 and the Chinese Civil War... Thats more than Stalin and Hitler put together, yet strangely, he is mentioned comparitively little
     
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    That's probably because his face is put on every dollar bill in the Chinese currency.
     
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    I would have to say Himmler and the SS.

    Mic
     
  8. scythe

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    Hi, im new here, but id like to add my two bits.

    Hitler first, he began the prosecution of the Jewish peoples in Germany. This would what you would call evil, BUT! he galvanized his ENTIRE country to fight for him. He was not the worst.

    Im a Communist, i believe in its fundamental parts. Its been distorted over the years by, actually, the U.S. as being evil. Stalin however, made it evil. He became paranoid, so i guess you cant call him evil. BUT, he sent millions of young russian men AND women to their deaths in battle after battle, and executed more after the war.Like this. everything was fine after the war, but i believe that Stalin was suffering from some kind of mental disease that caused him to deteriorate. ANd this is the result : :kill:

    If anyone is evil, it was Stalin. Not even Hitler killed more of his OWN people then Stalin. But i do not call him evil. I call him mentally unstable.

    And Moa was a revolustionist. High casualties were to be expected.

    And another thing. Why have American leaders been spared from the "evil" title? Dont we kill as many as the others?

    This is AMerica against people we dont like:
    :bang: :eek:
     
  9. Simonr1978

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    Hardly, anti-semitism was prevalent in Europe long before Hitler's Great Grandparents were even born. In Shakespear's times British Jews had a simple choice, convert to Christianity or leave.

    Care to elaborate on how everything was fine in the Soviet Union after WWII? It seems to me that the Roumanians who shot Caucescou (Sp?) weren't too happy, neither were the Free-Poles who were arrested by the NKVD. Or the East Germans killed trying to get over the wall... etc...

    The US leaders aren't considered evil because quite simply there is nothing to compare. The US didn't like the Soviet Union and WW3 didn't happen. The US didn't institute the genocide of millions of people based on their Ethnic origins in the 20th century. The Soviets did, the Nazis did, the Japanese did, the Khmer Rouge did. That's why they are regarded as evil and the US leaders aren't.

    Keep dreaming boyho, Communism as an ideal is arguably laudable, but as a reality it'll never work.
     
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    Don't mean to be picky, but TECHNIcally Romania, Poland and East Germany weren't part of the Soviet Union... :D You could say that the continued killings of Chechens, Kamlucks and other minorities (as well as the Russian majority) was an example of how the USSR was "not fine" after WW2
     
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    Thank you. thats what i was trying to mean.. say. Technically East Germany did not belong to the Soviet Union. Allow me to correct that and say only Russia. While Stalin executed many many people, they were usually of captured territories. :cool:

    The worst thing Stalin did was his orders about Stalingrad. Weve all seen the movies, read the reports,heard the stories, but it was still worse. Of course the cold does not come into factor, as the Russian people were used to it. Trust me, im half lithuanian. I know how cold it gets. The worst things the man did were during the and after the war. Before hand, hit was moderate. But afterward it just spirialed out of control.

    ANyway, did you hear what bush said about communism? i screamed stupidly at the TV for an hour before i calmed down. .. the ..... ... ARRR!
     
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    Only Russia... what about Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine? What about Zhukov, isolated to effective political exile post-Berlin? Plenty of parts of the Soviet Union seemed less than happy under Soviet rule.

    Before hand Stalinist rule was moderate? Really? What about the purges? The attrocities against the White Russians? What about the actions of the NKVD and the Gulags? What about the artificially induced famines in Belo-russia?

    The personal views of George Bush Jnr are hardly indicative of the US as a whole throughout the 20th century, I think personally history could regard the US as amongst the more moderate regimes of the last 100 years.
     
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    Quite simply put: no, they don't.

    Mao Tse Tung was responsible for the deaths of an estimated 60,000,000 of his countrymen. Stalin was responsible for the deaths of more than half that number, most of them consciously sentenced and executed, others deliberately starved to death. Among them, the great leaders of 20th century Communism have killed more than a hundred million people.

    Give me the name of any American president with a comparable record. What ethnic group did they eradicate? What political dissenters did they deport? What officers did they execute for being "anti-revolutionary"? Of course the US is not a country of saints; of course they have done many people wrong, as have all nations. But to say that they're as evil as the dictators that ruled and murdered in the name of communism is simply unreasonable.
     
  14. Ricky

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    Well, there is the eradication of the 'Native Americans'... ;)

    That cheeky comment aside I do agree with what Roel says.
     
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    ricky...we have fought and screwed over various injun tribes over the last 300 years or so......as did the south americans and anzaks...we did not eradicate them,they own the F%$^& casino down the road where my wife loves to lose my money...i wish they would all go back to mongolia and uzbekistan ,where they came from ....pesky ouslanders....lol
     
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    Yeah, i think it was smallpox who did most of the "eraidcating" and not the American settlers
     
  17. Ricky

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    And deliberately handing out smallpox-infected blankets did not help...
     
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    of course, considering that my other half is Native American.. odd mix int it? Native american, lithuanian??

    Actually i shouldnt say i know what its like to be lithuanian, even though ive read up on it. I dont like the culture. But yes, the Europeans dealt a good blow to NA life. Lots of our culture was lost. Not tht im crying over it, we were being killed off, no one can deny that though. Theres your culture being exterminated. It was just in a nice way.
     
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    That would be true if it ever actually happened. It didn't. It has been well researched since that charge has been levelled in the past based on a comment in a letter written by one (British) officer who recommended that it be tried.
    There is no evidence that it ever went beyond that one comment.
    Time to put this myth to bed.
     
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    It is apparently true that the USA never did this -

    http://www.plagiary.org/smallpox-blanke ... Lincoln%22

    But the British did -

    The article goes on to state that 2 blankets would have no real effect compared to all the blood etc that was around during the siege, but the intent was there...

    http://www.thefurtrapper.com/indian_smallpox.htm
    about halfway down

    Got my nations mixed up :oops:
     

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