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Navy Order of Battle.

Discussion in 'Hearts of Iron' started by Tomcat, Jan 25, 2009.

  1. Tomcat

    Tomcat The One From Down Under

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    I was wondering what you would consider a good Navy order of battle, generally I have noticed the AI tends to lean towards using everything available in the one BG. This clearly amounts to issues for me, since my navy is limited. I am playing Russia and control all of Russia, and Germany occupied areas of ww2, including Spain. I have 4 BB's, 4 BC's, 15 CA's, 7 CL's 14 DD's, 9 SS's and 3 CV's, all spread out around the continent from East Russia to Italy.

    Now every time I engage the USA and BRitain in a vay fight I lose, do you have any suggestions to winning the battles?

    My Doctrines are limited which is something I am workign on, my airpower matches anything the allies put up. But the USA alone have 33 CV's what to do?
     
  2. SOAR21

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    i would keep my ships in one large group for ur situation, due to the overwhelming superiority. Also, what level are your ships? that is pretty important.

    As America in my "training game," i was axis, so i had a lot of naval conflicts with Britain. One TF, commanded by nimitz, has 13 capital ships, 14 screening ships. 6 are CVs, out of my 12 total. Another TF under King has 7/10. TF Halsey has 13/15. TF Fletcher is 12/20

    My Carribbean operations: I use Fletcher or King to conduct Naval Interdiction missions. Due to the newness of my ships, they have high survivability. Nimitz and Halsey are based in Miami and Havana, and, at the first sign of a large battle, they rush to help, while the smaller fleets fall back. This was very successful. I estimate that the British had around the same number of ships in the area, but, looking at the stats, i had clearly one the series of engagements. in a period of 5 months, the British sunk 12 flotillas, easily replaced by my IC. out of the 12, 4 were capital ships. I sunk, in the same time, 32 flotillas, 18 of which were capital ships. 6 were CVs, 2 were CAs, and the rest were BBs with one BC
     
  3. Tomcat

    Tomcat The One From Down Under

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    My DD's are at 4, BB's 3, CV's 3, CA,s, 3 Cl,s 2.

    Not the best to take on the CV's of AMerica and Britain.
     
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    Yeah, its tough. I try avoid major battles with the yanks and brits. and pick my spots for a battle. I use Navel bombing as much as I can. I don't build any destroyers..my smallest ship is the light cruiser.and I build them only with Carrier (to escort them)

    I group Battleships and heavy cruisers together with light cruisers aswell.

    In other words I build a ton of light crusiers..and mix them in with the capital ships
     
  5. SOAR21

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    well, tomcat, do u have a transport that needs escorting?, or would u just like the ability to drop in anywhere on the map? If it is a transport thing, u can put them in the same sea province. When your fleet engages, pause the game and manually retreat your transports right away to a neighboring province, but not the way u came. Wait for a little bit (use discretion) then pull your battlegroup to the same province. Chances are, neighboring enemy fleets will rush to attack your battlegroup, not any ships that might retreat. The risk is that the transports would be unprotected for a short while, and you may take losses on your battlegroups if not managed well enough.
     
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    Tomcat The One From Down Under

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    I use the DD's and CL's for transport escort and the Heavier BC's BB's CA's and CV's for the hunting of enemy BG's.
     
  7. Joe

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    I never build more than four BBs (In my current UK campaign I am building four King George V class as well as what you start of with). CVs I try to build as many as I can. (On my current one I am building four extra Illustrious class)
    I tend to use DDs and CLs to escort my capital ships, with more DDs usually.

    Oh, and Renown and Repulse where recently sunk by Bismark, with only Hood surviving. The Home fleet is now hunting the bugger!
     
  8. tikilal

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    I take a wholly different tact. I have never played very far as anyone but Germany and what I do with them is research up to lvl 5 (V) Carrier and then produce 5-7 depending on other things mean while researching DD or CL up to the same range as the lvl 6 Carriers. Then I build enough CLs and DDs to get that magic ratio that removes teh escort penalty in combat. I then do the next Carrier research and produce up to 15 CVs. I usually keep them all in the same gourp and try to hunt down the enemy or perform the tasks I need them too, trasport escort navel interdiction. The navies of the world only seem to give me trouble when I am moving trasports. But this is just me.

    One down side to my method id the time it takes to get a my first wave of carriers out 40 or 41. This pushes back the attack on England and so i ahve to fight often on two fronts but when it is rolling it does work well.

    I will always watch the fleet and anytime a carrier is about to be destroyed I have the whole fleet retreat. You have to give it some time or you may not be able to withdraw before it is sunk. Once the fleet is in base, then I ungroup the beat up ships and send the rest back out.
     
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    two double posts in one day. Oh the Shame.
     
  10. SOAR21

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    well, one thing you have to be sure of is that there are no lingering fleets around. once, i withdrew a beat-up fleet, and encountered a medium-sized fleet, which sunk two of my BB's and one CV
     
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    I think in many ways the naval battles don't follow the realism of the rest of the game.
     
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    yeah I would agree with that.
     
  13. Joe

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    Hopefully HOI3 will sort it out, everything I have seen about this game looks great!
     
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    seen? where?
     
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    i actually want to get HoI2: Doomsday first. But...I...uh...can't...
    I have the money, but I got a B in chemistry last semester...Asian parents...
     
  16. Tomcat

    Tomcat The One From Down Under

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    Whats wrong with a B, its certainly better then an E.
     
  17. Joe

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    Read these, but start at No.1. Strangely they are reversed...

    Developer diary
     
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    wow, it is looking good joe.
     
  19. Joe

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    And yet they still don't tell us the release date. I bet they are doing it on purpose just to keep us on the edge.
     

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