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Navy Separation Notice 1945

Discussion in 'Military Service Records & Genealogical Research' started by SM Baker, Dec 9, 2018.

  1. SM Baker

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    Hi,
    My grandfather was an Armed Guard-gunner's mate 2nd class. Could somebody enlighten me as to the "T" in parentheses in this section of the document?
    Thank you!
    Stephen Navy Separation Notice Reginald Baker 3.jpg
     
  2. WILD DUKW

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    Please post the entire document. Context makes everything easier to interpret.

    Thanks
     
  3. SM Baker

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    Good point. Here it is. Navy Separation Notice Reginald Baker.jpg
     
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    Temporary ?
     
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    Thanks. I usually look at Army service records so your grandfather's is very interesting to me. Looks like one of the ships he served on was an Army Transport Ship, leased or owned by the US Army. They were captained and manned by civilians, but their gun crews were usually US Navy, so I'm guessing that is what he did on the ship. The Army assigned officers to each ship to oversee things, including the cargo.

    Do you know anything about his time on this ship?
     
  6. SM Baker

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    Thanks, WD,
    The John Bascom was a Liberty ship, sunk at Bari, Italy. The General AE Anderson I'm not sure about. In fact this very moment I'm browsing the log book on Ancestry. I think his final ship the USS Minnesotan is the one on which he crossed the equator. Which ship was the Army transport? This is very interesting!
     
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    As far as I can tell that would be correct - Temporary.
     
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    Fold3 has the Muster Rolls of the USS General AE Anderson from 1944-1949. I did a search and was not able to find him. His name not coming up could be due to a transcription error. I've run into that before. If you knew when he served on that ship, it might be possible to find him the old fashioned way.
     
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    Would the armed guard show up as part of the ships company?
     
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    Good question. Navy is not my strong suit, so I am happy to defer to someone more knowledgable. However, the Muster Roll records often include passenger lists in addition to the crew, so I would think that their presence on the ship would have been recorded at some point.
     
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    The ships mentioned had civilian crews I believe and operated under contract with the US Army. I suspect they'll show up somewhere but I certainly have no idea where.
     
  13. SM Baker

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    I can't thank you all enough for all this input.
    First, R. Leonard, would the designation, "Temporary" apply to the 2nd class status of gunner's mate? I ask because, if you look at box no. 20 on the document, it lists his rating as "Gunner's mate, 2nd class.

    Also, LWD, I think that's a good question, too. Ancestry.com has a log book of the AE Anderson (affectionately called, "The Big A"), and it does not appear to include Armed Guard. However, I found this crew list of the USS Minnesotan, the ship he was on in 1945, and you'll notice the Armed Guards are listed separately as "United States Navy Gun Crew." I've attached it.
    Great stuff, guys! 1945 Crew List SS Minnesotan 1.jpg
     
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    It definitely appears so.
     
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    Look again, he is listed as a Gunner's Mate 3rd class(GM 3/c). The sailor below him is a SM 2/c.
     
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    I was referring to box no. 20 in the separation notice in post #3, not the crew list. Sorry for the confusion.
     
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    Sorry bout that.

    To the best of my knowledge, it would have been a "local" promotion in rank, such as a promotion aboard ship. Yet, it still had to be "officially" approved by the Bureau of Personnel(BUPERS).
     
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    The SS Minnestoan was the Army Transport. SS Minnesotan - Wikipedia
     
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    Thanks, Takao, very interesting. It's starting to make sense!
     
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    Thanks, can't wait to read about her. I actually have the big equator crossing certificate from when he was made a "shellback" aboard the "Minnesotan!"
     
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