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Discussion in 'Sport & Athletics' started by Poppy, Dec 16, 2012.

  1. A-58

    A-58 Cool Dude Patron  

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    I assume that you are still referring to me and my position on the NFL and whether or not I like to watch 2 teams that I’m not interested in that are playing in the Super Bowl. In no post here on this thread I made any such statement that I was against anyone’s free speech. Please scroll back and refresh your memory. You’ve made baseless accusations against me. But that’s your right to do so. I hope that you feel better now.
     
  2. wooley12

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    like I said, my bad. I thought you were including yourself with "most people."

    "They choose to take a knee in protest, which is taken as blatant disrespect to most people."
     
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    Well, I personally don’t care for their actions, but they do what they want (take a knee during the national anthem) and I do as well (don’t watch the games). What I do can really not be considered a protest of their protest since I haven’t watched an entire NFL game (on purpose) since the Good Lord took pity on the Louisiana faithful and let the Saints win the Super Bowl a few years back.
     
  4. JJWilson

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    I hope this means that people will be serious in choosing good candidates in the first place come next elections. I believe there were plenty of better candidates in both the Republicans and Democrats that would do a much better job than either Hillary or Trump (John Kasich, Martin O'Malley and a few others) We weren't "stuck" with Donald and Hillary initially, we easily could have nominated other people, but nobody came out too vote, so who is to blame? I believe the citizens are (at least those who didn't perform there duty as citizens in voting). I hope as you said KJ that this is an eye opening experience for all, and not an invitation for the United State's clowns to put on a circus every November.
     
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    Lets try to keep this focused on the NFL, if you want to talk about the Olympics find a appropriate thread or start one.
     
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    Belasar's right..............I hope the Broncos pick up Kirk Cousins.
     
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    LOL. Well played.
     
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    as a Cowboys fan I heartily endorse both statements! :)
     
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    I think the Eagles need some help on defense, more in the secondary than anywhere else. Finding a replacement for a guy like Chris Long who was a heck of a player and voice in the locker room, will be a difficult task. But I still think the secondary is concern #1 for them, they got wrecked in the Superbowl, I don't care that it was Tom Brady, but 505 yards allowed just in passing is inexcusable.

    For the Cowboys, Ezekiel Elliot needs to get his crap together. Dak Prescott needs some help in the receiver/ tight end department with Dez Bryant declining and Jason Witten retiring soon. Their defense also needs to improve for them to get back to there playoff form of 2016.
     
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    I agree. They were serviceable all year, but they were really exposed in that game. I like Mills, not a fan of Darby. The defense was very opportunistic this year when backed against it.
     
  11. JJWilson

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    I think Darby needs one more year in the system for us to see what he can truly be in Philly. The Eagles also need another pass rusher, I would go with someone in the draft, maybe Andrew Brown? I think they can improve the secondary in free agency. On the offense, I think they need to sign Ajayi to a long term deal, and they need probably one more quality receiver to make life even easier for Wentz.
     
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    Indeed but the effort to suppress freedom of speech has actually been more on the side of the knealers. People who take issue with their positions are treated like their taking issue is a crime. Look at all the trouble a Michigan state official has had because she expressed a personal opinion on her private face book page.

    As I said/implied I do find it interesting that they are using a very old gesture of respect for just the opposite purpose. Haven't cared much one way or another about the NFL since I got out of high school several decades ago.
     
  13. wooley12

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    Found it for ya.:)

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    There's a huge difference between voicing an opinion and suppressing free speech. In any case the above looks to me like an exercise in sarcasm especially looking at the "author's" name.

    If someone can voice an opinion it should be equally ok for someone else to voice a counter opinion and even criticize the person who voiced the initial opinion. Suggesting people be punished, as in loose their jobs, for doing so is trying to suppress free speech. Suggesting that they be punished for breaking rules they agreed to and acting counter to their employers interest while on the pay role is a different matter IMO. It's not a matter of what they say or do as where.
     
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    " In any case the above looks to me like an exercise in sarcasm especially looking at the "author's" name. "

    Really?!!!! Got to get up pretty early in the morning to fool you I guess. Good one. ;)
     
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    @lwd I may be off but what I heard you say in your previous posts about the kneeling is that if a group is protesting about issue X, (police shootings) it is a valid counter argument to accuse them of action Y (breaking employee rules, although the employers were ok with the protest) and Z (disrespect for flag etc) without ever addressing issue X. Judging by what Gowdy is saying on his way out, Congress is debating the issues before it in the same way and it was not a good way to finding solutions.
     
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    What seems to be lost in all this is these protest's/acts are being conducted in both a workplace and during a mass entertainment venue. I can say with some authority that in just about any workplace expressing a protest or political opinion is not allowed and certainly not to a 'captive' audience.

    This is not to say that those who take a knee forfeit any right to speak their minds about matters of import to them and certainly their level of fame give them ample opportunity to express their opinions. Their right of 'Free Speech' ends where 'our' .right not to be harangued by their opinion. Remember that if doing this is acceptable, then so is a cap/shirt saying 'End Abortion Now', 'Deport all Immigrants', or any cause you want.

    I can not speak for you but I would hate to be shopping in a store or eating a meal in a restaurant and being interrupted by a employee asking " Have you found Jesus yet?" or "Do you know your carbon footprint?"
     
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    I have on occasion been approached by Moonies, LDS and petition requestors although it has been so seldom and fleeting that it never bothered me. It was never in an establishment as I recall. It will be interesting to see how the owners handle any public protest next year seeing as how they were for the most part standing by their players in the protest. Donald never stops hitting back when wronged and I'm sure he is still mad about the $1 settlement he got when he sued the NFL and his league folded. We're seeing a pi**ing contest between Billionaires and out in public. Fun the watch the game within the game within the game.
     
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    That's a good point - As an outsider (but someone experienced with racial protests) I think its on the high side of hypocrisy...taking with one hand and disrespecting with the other...they protest from their Ferraris...disrespecting the system that got them that Ferrari for playing bloody football! This would not be tolerated in Australia...it happens from time to time and is slammed when it does...So long as the game and team is not brought into disrepute, people can protest what they like on social media, or media interviews...but not on the employers dime and the countries time (viewers).
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    Nicky Winmar lifting his gersey to show hes all black and bloody proud of it...this is fine...Australian even.

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    This from Adam Goodes, threatening violence to the crowd is NOT an acceptable form of protest IMO.

    No, its not good form to tell people how to protest...but if you want non-black people to get on-board then it DOES matter how one does it. If all you are trying to do is annoy and disrespect them, then don't expect a sympathetic ear...
     
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    Your first sentence is used as an argument here. "Be glad for what you have. Not all blacks are so lucky to be so wealthy." I come from a sales/marketing background if I was looking for maximum exposure to sell a message, the Anthem before the game would be the place to do it. It sure has made the world aware.I hope they can expand the discussion.

    Your 2nd video didn't translate for me. The gestures meant nothing to me.
     

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