Normandy "What Ifs" questions.

The Germans would not have been able to mount a strong enough attack to throw the allies into the sea.

As long as the allies had impunity in the air, and warships at sea, they could maintain a continuous beachhead.

In fact, there was nothing the Germans could do to win the battle of Normandy. It was a battle of attrition, and the allies had more to draw on.

 

Here are two reponses I like from another forum LOL.

"On August 3, 1945 there is a bright flash above Essen followed by a mushroom cloud. 5 days later….
or – As Soviet troops reach Calais in July of 1945.
or – Anvil/Dragoon still goes and receives the full weight of resources, it just takes longer to exploit leading up to the first two scenarios. I doubt Churchill's government could survive a failed invasion and the already reluctant and manpower constrained British command establishment would not support a second direct assault."

or,

"A short time later "Operation Dragoon" the landings in Southern France kick off and the Allies drive north into France.
In the United States, the Marine Corps and Navy are given the lead in planning the next landing in NW Europe.
Meanwhile, the Red Army continues to pound its way West.
In August of 1945 a squadron of B-29 wing their way over Berlin and reduce it to radioactive debris.
All told, the war ends in '46 instead of '45."

 

Or here is a question

What would happen had German stategists had guessed correctly that Normandy was going to be the landing site and Rommel was givien total authority to act as he saw fit without getting the Fuhrer's permission to do anything, also that as a consequence the Luftwaffe had gathered en mass within the area and the incoming transports that carried the paratroopers were decimated. And the Germans had gathered hundreds of U-Boats and decided to unleash them in a suicide raid on the incoming transports and escorts. And if then by this miracle any troops do land they are confronted with the nightmare of facing double the number of division that the allies knew of.

Resulting days action is 200,000 allied troops dead, a further 150,000 mia, wia or pow's, hundreds of air transports shot down, and 150 naval vessels sunk including many of the artillery platforms of the battleships and cruisers. Final washout is that Churchill loses a no confidence motion and Roosevelt is impeeched for the failure at Normandy, the west tells Stalin it will be a further 12 months at least before another invasion can take place.

Can Germany reverse it's cause, absolutely not, it was doomed, even without the West, the Soviets are far too strong and well co-ordinated to to be beaten, Germany will still lose the war.

 

Even if D-Day never happened or the Germans were lucky enough to guess where the Allies would hit the beaches, Germany would have still lost the war. Not opening a second front would have made the war last a lot longer though.

The only way Germany could have had a chance to win the war was if they had a more competent leader but I'm guessing no one could have led Germany to victory...

 

Well ''What if'' Germany never invaded france? what if Fance and Germany were Allies? just throwing tht out their for consideration.

 

11th AD, instead of hijacking a thread open a new one please.

 

I agree with Za. This thread is really about what was mentioned in the first few posts. The original question is WHY?

 

Why people want the axis to win? Because the Allies had their fame and people want to fighure out how the axis could earn their's.

 

Why do people play war and computer games? because the ending is known? because they can't change anything? because they love to play something that leaves no options?

Why does a football league club on position 14 still play? because he won't become the #1 anyway?

Why did human mankind develop? if not for the "if" - if I could generate artifical light wouldn't that be great - probably Edison was a moron and so was the guy who developed penicillin and thousands of others.

The problem with the "if" in ww2 threads is just that most people can't bear the thought that their beloved country might loose to someone else.
'if" Manchester United would have......then Liverpool would have lost, and the Liverpool Fan will repeat until his depature from this planet, No way, never, impossible.

In regards to von Rundstedts post: Yes why not, the Normandy scenario could have developed in such a way, so? it is about Normandy and not "if' Normandy in 1944 would have been a failure - could Germany have won the war?

Regards
Kruska