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Planes in Russia

Discussion in 'Air Warfare' started by WO_Kelly, Dec 13, 2006.

  1. WO_Kelly

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    The Russians sure know how to preserve old military aircraft.
     
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    I'm more jealous that I can possibly express. :eek:

    Thanks so much for the photos, you lucky lucky guy! :D
     
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    Nice pics again too bad most of those older planes have to sit outside.
     
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    I believe those pictures are taken at Monino?

    They have a rare piece of equipment:
    [​IMG]

    Su 100
     
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    We want OUR B-29(s) back!
    (The Russians stole three of them if memory serves.)
    Like we didn't give them enough Lend-Lease stuff, they felt obliged to STEAL our B-29s.
    A rather sore-point with me.

    Great photos by the way.

    Tim
     
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    If I had more memory cards, I would have taken picture of each plane, however because I only had so many pictures, and this was in the first week and there would be plenty more pictures I would want to take, I had to settle for trying to get as many planes in each shot, even if parts of them were cut out.
     
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    Nah they weren't stolen...they were given (Emergency landing in Russia, interned and copied by the Russians)
    So i guess that one isn't a B-29 but a Tu-4 Bull

    Nice Pictures btw...makes me want to go there too :D
     
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    Ome:
    Technically, yes. Not like the USAF expected they'd allow the crews to refuel as good allies... and send them on their way home eh? I believe our airmen were also "interred" and only later allowed to "escape."
    The Russians were indeed masterful in their reverse-engineering in copying the big, Boeing B-29 Superfortress right down to the last nut and bolt. That no-doubt accelerated our desire for a jet-bomber when it was realized we were now only at parity with the Russians, post-WWII.
    We liked being ahead.
    And the race was on.

    Tim
     
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    Indeed they were....
    IIRC they even copied the interior exactly... painting it green not knowing why it was green :D
     
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    I like the pictures, but the Russians built ugly planes :)
     
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    if a russian ww2 bomber crew had to make an emergency landing at a us base , they woulda been refuled , fed and been on their way home as soon as possilble ...of course stalin woulda prolly had them shot anyway on their return to soviet territory ...the american pilots should have been breifed to bail out of their b29 rather than land it of course, that was very short sighted indeed...
     
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    The Soviets weren't at war with Japan at the time, so they took advantage of international law and interned the pilots and crews as required, and let the crews "escape" (much) later. Both the USSR and Japan tried very hard to avoid incidents with each other, at least unitl August 1945. Soviet flagged and crewed ships carried a vast amount of Lend-Lease material across the Pacific and the Japanese never tried to help their German "allies" by attempting to stop it.
    And the Soviets then took advantage of having the planes to reverse engineer them. Stories abound that this done at Stalin's direct orders, Soviet enginers wanted to learn the principles and improve on the design.
     
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    ol uncle joe sure knew how to get the very best out his engineers and design people ...the old carrot and stick ...(only without the carrot part )..iirc he actually had a gun design team shot for produceing a crappy mg design ...that sure gets everyones attention...
     
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    Sure there was a carrot - you enjoy still living, don't you? :D
     
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    I thinkl I saw an aircobra in there , a dud in the west it was used and abused in the east ,
    the russian liked it so much they took most of the successor king cobra ,
    nobody else wanted it !
    do anyone know what was their use , the obvious one was ground attack but in an article a russian guy claim they were used as fighters ????!!!!

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    The weakness of the Airacobra was in its poor high altitude performance. A real downside in the ETO where a lot of the work was escorting bombers at altitude, not a real problem in the East where the majority of the fighting happened below 15,000 ft.
     
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    And reason for its poor high altitude performance was the lack of decent supercharger.
    By the way, Airacobra is actually quite good looking plane.
    [​IMG]
     
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    It is commonly said that they were used for ground attack but as far as i know, this never happened in reality. They were used purely as fighters for the reasons Simon pointed out.
     

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