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Discussion in 'The Tanks of World War 2' started by Vassilli, Jan 24, 2006.

  1. Vassilli

    Vassilli New Member

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    can someone tell me some numbers about tanks and the battle fields like how much tanks did the germans had, tank losses at battle fields, etc...
     
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    You're gonna have to give us some specific battles...Western Front/Eastern Front?
     
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    both if possible :-? bu I am very intrested in barbarossa and kursk....
     
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    Operation Barbarossa
    Germans: approx. 3million soldiers and 3,300 tanks organized into 3 Army Groups.
    Russians: approx. 3.2million soldiers and 15,000 obsolete tanks organized into approx. 230 divisions.

    Kursk
    Germans: approx. 900,000 soldiers and 2,700 tanks
    Russians: approx. 1.3 million soldiers and 3,600 tanks

    Hope this is helpful...if you want more about Kursk, try researching the battle of Prokhorovka (spelling?)...see what you can find. :grin:
     
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    thanks wolverine :cool: :p
     
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    question: how come the soviets lost oparation barbarrossa when they had so much tanks :eek:
     
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    Many of the tanks were obsolete, used incorrectly (faulty tactics), broke down, were captured before they could be used, etc.
     
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    Exactly, thanks Panzerman! It was in my post that the Soviet tanks were obsolete (most of them), but it was also due to the factors Panzerman stated... :grin:
     
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    Tanks alone do not win battles. The Soviets were overwhelmed by the speed and precision of experienced German soldiers employing the Blitzkrieg tactics they had rehearsed in Poland and France in the preceding years. Even though many of the Russian tanks were in fact superior to their German counterparts they could not be deployed effectively or could not even be deployed at all, because the Germans worked purposefully to cut off frontline troops from their command centres and supply lines.

    When you have no supply, when you recieve no orders, and when you notice enemy troops on all sides - you have no choice but to surrender, unless you want to consider "not a step backwards" a choice.
     
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    For Barbarossa you should also add in the Romanian, Hungarian and Italian troops who joined the Germans, and made their infantry force up to about 4.2 million, IIRC. Plus a few more tanks.

    Admittedly, theses extras were more trouble than they were worth (The Hungarians were actually withdrawn from the front line for being really poor performers, and due to a mistranslation the Germans thought that the Italians were motorised troops, but they marched everywhere).
     

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