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Spot fake German objects this is an easy one!

Discussion in 'Collections' started by Skipper, Jan 16, 2015.

  1. Skipper

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  2. Martin Bull

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    There's no doubt that the market is awash now with such fantasy/fake items. Buyer beware !
     
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    Yes, but such low quality and not mentioning it is just a fraud.
     
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    someone will buy them
     
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    No doubt about that bronk7.
     
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    In the US, my collector friend living close to me, said that making these easy to spot from real ones means that you´re not making "fakes" and try to make big bucks of these. They are fakes from the beginning and in a way the responsibility is put to the buyer, and you cannot sue the seller...Because they are not imitating the original one 1:1 in details. Don´t know how true it is but it sounds like a good explanation for me.
     
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    Well , the lack of information and the deliberate intention not to mention these are not originals means there is an intention to make beleive these are real. Sellers will say that they did not mention "original" and that prices and quantities should have given hints.

    European regulation howewer states that repros should be mentionned as such . Besides the seller did not mention it was new (making naive buyers believe they have been used) .

    The confusion is therefore intentionnally created . It is a fraud. However as Kai said, the seller will claim they are neither repros-nor originals, but fantasy items (but they don't mention it either) .
     
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    Well said Skipper but like said I was astounded that copies could be made in the thought that the version was so wrong they could not be sued...:( :( :(
     
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    Not only that ,but they would be so called unique and not so easy to be considered as repros. You's say : ok thay make eveything now, but " personal" items is de facto something difficult to copy. As long as pigeons will buy this stuff some indeleicate people will sell them .
     
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    Indeed Skipper, they might and probably sell these as true WW2 items, but cannot be said they themselves lied as the items have
    such faults that they could not be considered ww2 items... :(
     
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    They are just everywhere!
     
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    and even more. They seem to be made by the same maker. If you have one then you have been cheated!



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    So next time we have a newbie trying to identify his "find" send him to this monster galery.
     
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    I would think the buyer, as in a lot of things, should have the common sense to research before buying....just like buying a car, painting,etc....especially a WW2 item<>research it
     
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    Actually we have quite a few members asking us to identify their "graal" on a quite regular basis. I hope that these "spot the fake" threads will not only prevent people from being scammed , but also it may provide an answer to several people who have already bought something.

    I have opened a similar thread for Koppleschlösser (belt buckles) .
     
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    Not so ! Over at the War Relics Forum, it is just unbelievable how many pictures of such fantasy/fraud items are posted for 'opinions' ( usually the story goes 'I just got this from the family of a veteran who took it off the body of a dead German soldier....' blah blah blah :looroll: )

    The immediate response is always the same...FAKE !

    The scam works because ( as with the Hitler Diaries ) the victim wants it to be true.

    As with any type of antique collecting, if you don't 'know your stuff', you're going to be like a lamb to the slaughter.

    h )
     
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    Swastika sells I'm afraid and when people get aware of the scams , the newbies will always be there...... The fakers are always one step ahead. Just wait until the 3 D printers start making "goodies"
     
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    yes,I had my stuff there...I've been on that forum a lot....are you saying the experts are saying fake, when it's real, to buy it low?? I will say, I had posted pictures of my pennants with different cameras!! and someone immediately said fake, when it wasn't, [ said they could tell -from a low quality picture no less! ] they said it was cotton not wool..instead of saying something like, "I'm not totally sure, but"..etc..but that wasn't the norm<>[ with my stuff ]...at AHF, 2 great guys helped me a lot...immediately IDed my stuff....now, they might have opined it at a lower price, than it really was.[ to get a good deal? ]..I have to agree with you, on a lot of those forums [GCA,WAF,etc] a lot of the stories you say are true<>fake is the usual response [I'm trying to get this post off, but the kid and dog keep bothering me! ]
     
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    but like I said, isn't that the same with homes/cars/etc<>the sellers [some?] will try to scam you ''somehow?....of course, they are not fakes [ha] ...I've had car dealers try to sell me crap/cars i didn't want/etc....I had my notebook with me one time, and the dealer said 'you don't need that'..of course, I didn't buy from him...there are a lot of ways to research what you want, no?.thanks all replies
     
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    Let's keep this as a database from now on gents. I wouldn't want this thread to become a 1000 page "lol-anti lol" page .
     

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