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  1. Cabel1960

    Cabel1960 recruit

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    Do you know how many in total had the Germans of the groups SS? I think 5, Hitler Jugend, Totenkopf, were 2 do you know of more names. :eek:i:
     
  2. Kelly War44

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    The Geheime Staatspolizei, or Gestapo, were part of, or under direct control of, the SS. That's one:wink:
     
  3. Spitfire XIV-E

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    Until he was assassinated, Reinhard Heydrich's SicherheistDeinst (Sp?) or SD Security Police (Walter Schellenberg) and the Waffen SS fighting units. Also the Einsatz Gruppen that followed up behind the main assault forces, particularly in Russia.
     
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    Am I right in thinking these were the Death Squads??? :ponder:
     
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    Yes. They were made up of Police Units mainly. They would systematically route out undesirable (by the Reich) people and dispose of them. Political Commissars were a priority in Russia becuse they usually went along with Soviet Infantry Units to spur them on with Communist Propaganda etc. Also of course to route out Jews. Not very nice people ...
     
  6. Kelly War44

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    So, is that the 5?
    1) Hitler Jugend
    2) TotenKopf
    3) Gestapo
    4) Waffen SS
    5) Einsatz Gruppen
     
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    I would replace EinsatzGruppen with the SD because the SD was an important part of Reich Security. Walter Schellenberg was the orchestrator of the famous "Venlo" incident where 2 British MI5 personnel were abducted from a cafe at Venlo in Holland in 1939, after they'd been duped in to meeting a top German agent.
     
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    The GeStaPo was not a group from the SS.

    To the other things:


    The SS was divided into 3 Groups:

    1. Allgemeine SS
    2. SS-Totenkopfstandarten
    3. SS-Verfügungstruppen

    The Waffen SS was (later) the combination Totenkopfstandarten-Verfügungstruppen

    It was a division like the "Kurt Steiner", "Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler" and all the other divisions.

    From the first decembre of 1939 the Waffen SS was a main part and involved the soldiers from the following divisions:

    1. SS-V-Division
    2. SS-Totenkopf-Division
    3. SS-Polizei Division
    4. SS-Junkerschulen
    5. SS-Totenkopf-Standarten
    6. Ergänzungsamt der Waffen-SS (SS-Erg.Amt)
    7. Waffen- und Geräteamt der Waffen-SS (SS W. u. G.Amt)
    8. Personalamt der Waffen-SS (SS-Pers.Amt)
    9. Amt R. V. der Waffen-SS (Amt RV)
    10. Fürsorge- und Versorgungsamt der Waffen-SS (SS-F. u. V.Amt)
    11. Sanitätsamt der Waffen-SS (SS-San.Amt)
    12. Verwaltungsamt der Waffen-SS (SS-V.Amt)
    13. SS-Gericht
    14. Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler


    The Hitlerjugend was not a main part, it was just a Division!


    Hope i could help a bit:fag:
     
  9. Cabel1960

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    It has turned out more interesting than expected, thou i am supprised with the amout of divisions that killa752 mentions. So the answer is not 5, it is more that their were 3 groups divided into many divisions, is this correct? :wtf:
     
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    How about the SD ? Or was that treated as a seperate entity all together ?
     
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    It seems to be correct. The divisions i listed were just the Divisions involved from the Waffen-SS. Some may know the movie "Iron Cross" with Major Kurt Steiner. In honor of his work they gave a Division the name of him, the Kurt Steiner Division.

    Experts says that there were 450-550 Divisions (300 hundred Infantry, rest Tanks etc. )

    A little extra:

    noticeable was that there was no 13th Panzergrenadiere, no 13th Infrantriedivision, no 13th Volksgrenadierdivision and no 13th Jägerdvision.

    This has something to do with the superstitiousness of the germans.

    The onliest 13th Division had not many luck:

    They fighted in the war from Budapest and were totally destroyed.


    //Killa
     

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