Re: Myths of the Eastern front Which ever of the three authors that state that the size of the envelopment at Kiev was "roughly the size of Germany itself," is sadly very mistaken, or there has been a horrible mistake in editing. At no point in in history since 1870 and the creation of the German state was Germany merely 120 miles (ca 192 km) by 300 miles (giving a rough total area of 36,000 sq mi, or 92,160 sq km) . This fact is easily checked. The Germany of today (post-Cold war reunification) has an area of 137,983 sq mi // 357,376 sq km (or four times larger than the envelopment). Only if the author(s) were referring to the Cold War East German state DDR, could this fact be said to be remotely true: DDR's size was 41,828 sq mi (108,333 sq km). At 20% larger, even this is a stretch, but the description does say "roughly." Given that Nazi Germany prior to 1941 itself had expanded significantly; Austria, seized in Anschluss was roughly the size of the envelopment, only ca 10% smaller. The portion of Polish territories claimed by Germany in the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was roughly the size of the envelopment: 36,000 sq mi, or 94,000 sq km. So as written, the statement is misleading. Which "Germany" is referred to (Imperial Germany? Pre-war Nazi Germany 1939? 1941? DDR?) Given the context of describing an event in 1941, it would be easy to assume that it refers to the size of Nazi Germany 1941, which in actuality was significantly larger. The conclusion I draw, is that the statement was copied from a Soviet text post war, and the reference originally referred to the rump state that was DDR (but I have no evidence of that beyond the actual figures stated above). The above facts are readily accessible on wikipedia, the CIA's factbook, or any good encyclopedia. Or by looking at a map. Or you know, just applying good old fashioned common sense.