The New American Aircraft Carriers

The CVN-77 George H.W. Bush is on its way into service. It is described as 'transition ship' incorporating much of the attributes of the CVNX/CVN-21 class.

Construction of the first carrier of the new class, CVN-78 is scheduled to begin next year.



The new class is described as having "a sortie rate increased by 25% thanks to an enhanced flight deck layout, with improved weapons movement and "pit stops" to fuel and arm aircraft, a redesigned and relocated island, three (instead of four) faster and more powerful elevators, Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System (EMALS, instead of steam catapults) and an Advanced Aircraft Recovery System (AARS); a new nuclear power plant; a new combat system; allowance for future technologies and reduced manning".

Please consider this as both an invitation to a debate and an inquiry for more details.

 

That's nice. But, Varyag, you're a little late 'cause I already heard of the new carrier. Still, thanks for bringin' it up.

 

I'm sure many of you have heard about them, which is why I wrote "please consider this as both an invitation to a debate and an inquiry for more details".

I just wanted to talk about them.

 

I hadn't

 

Well, i'm surprised by this!
I've read that the US are planning to reduce their carrier fleet and pospone all new carrier projects due to financial problems.

 

Wow! For once a lieutanent-not just any lieutenant, but me, who rarely does any research, knows something that a general-an administrator, doesn't! Guess knowledge and seniority really aren't the same thing. No offence.

 

You're the only one on here that even refers to the ranks at all Blaster, everyone else just ignores them as being basically irrelevant.

They're completely meaningless. They convey no inferred seniority or privileges and do not imply that you're more knowledgable than a junior rank, they just mean you've exceeded a certain post count.

That's why the rest of us ignore them.

 

Being an Admministrator does not mean that you know everything - otherwise I'd never be one

 

The reason I put that "guess knowledge and seniority aren't the same after all" sentence was to try to prevent another talking-to by one of the senior (but not neccessarily more knowledgable) members by trying to show that I understand that ranks aren't everything. But, I got a talking-to anyways, so I got it and never mind.

 

Blaster, it wasn't my intention to give you a talking to then or now.

It isn't necessary to show that you understand ranks aren't everything (To be honest for most of us, if not all, they aren't anything), if you want to do so the easiest thing to do is simply not mention them at all.

It is impossible to convey the intended tone of a typed post, people will read things differently, often depending on their own mood at the time. Use of the Emoticons or smilies is a great way of showing if you mean something to appear tongue in cheek or sarcastic.

For instance:

and:

Read differently, the first appears serious, the latter clearly doesn't.

Lastly, I doubt anyone here regardless of level of expertise or rank would seriously claim to know everything, so it shouldn't come as a surprise when even those whose knowledge seems pretty wide ranging come up against a gap in what they know.

 

anybody who claims to know everything military is a complete ass!

Even claiming to know all there is to know all there is about a narrow subject, such as WW2 tanks, is still probably an ass and going to get bit on the bum for such a comment.

But yes, forums lack the subtleties of speach and a simpe comment and be misconstrued to a different meaning which often causes offence. I find it best to let everything wash over you and ignore the lot.

FNG

PS, anyone think they should rename the CV Bush to the CV Bomb Iraq as that's all they seem to do. Besides I thought it was bad form to name a floating ship against a living person as any attack on the ship is a slur to the person concerned? And what has Bush done to deserve a CV? Why not Reagan or Nixon?

 

Reagan already has a carrier named after him (CVN 76)

IIRC this one is named after Bush Senior, not the present incumbent.

I dont know if "Tricky Dickie" has any warships named after him. Since he left office under less than perfect circumstances, it seems unlikely

Tom

 

Gerald Ford is suggested as the name for CVN-78 so they skipped Nixon again!

 

Why use a thread in the war at sea section regarding a particular class of warship to inject your political opinions? Isn't there a more appropriate place on these forums for that?

 

I'd consider such a remark bad taste too, I'm sure anyone with a few minutes and the inclination to do so could come up with a hundred other positive things the US has done. As an aside, I believe the ones doing the bombing in Iraq at the moment are the insurgents rather than anyone else.

BTW we British don't have a problem with the QE2 as named do we? Last I checked Elizabeth was still on the throne...

 

Different Navies, different traditions (and the QE2 is a merchie)

It used to be that the first major warship laid down in a new sovereign's reign would be named after them, hence the "Wobbly Eights" (King Edward VII class of pre-dreadnoughts) and the first King George V dreadnought. Before that, the RN had an "HMS Queen", "HMS Empress of India" (and Emperor of India) and the ill-fated HMS Victoria

This seems to have broken down with George VI

Tom

 

Me, I would have preferred Trafalgar and Excalibur, there's also Lionheart but thats had even less chance than Trafalgar.........



:smok:

http://p216.ezboard.com/fwarships1discu ... 5284.topic

 

HMS Banockburn seems to be another option. It sounds good anyway :lol:

 

Somehow the Sassenachs wouldnt go for that one (or HMS Flodden or HMS Prestonpans), There were, however, a number of HMS Culloden's from shortly after 1746 right up to the late Napoleonic Wars.


IMHO, the new RN carriers (if they ever get built) should re-use a couple of the "I" names (Invincible and Illustrious are out, but there's still Indomitable and Indefatigable) since they have good CV associations.

Now, please no-one mention armoured flight decks

 

Flodden was an English victory wasn't it? Prestopans a Scottish one... I'm a little confused...