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The Soviet Union, why didn't we punish them?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by ZeJanIt, Jul 20, 2017.

  1. ZeJanIt

    ZeJanIt Member

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    Everyone focuses on the Nazis and yes they are evil, but the Soviet Union killed more than them before the war ever started and continued killing during and after.

    Why did our president refuse to see what others did? Why did we take some Generals recommendations at the time and finish the job? We were there, our men, our equipment. finish it..Looking for thoughts, facts...etc
     
  2. OpanaPointer

    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Patron   WW2|ORG Editor

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    The Red Army was considerably larger than the Western Allies armies. And we had Japan to finish off. Truman wrote his wife telling her that he had accomplished the one thing he went to Potsdam to do, that being getting Stalin to promise to enter the war in the Pacific 90 days after the end of the war in Europe.

    So, after up to seven years of war for some Allies you want to start another one? Would you explain to the folks back home that we have been lying about being allies with the Russian and it's time to ge the next war started in Europe?
     
  3. Takao

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    Noblesse oblige. FDR thought that by killing the Soviets with kindness, they would see that we are not such bad guys after all. He had begun to see that this tact was not working with Stalin, but, by then, FDR had only a few months to live.

    As Opana pointed out...The Soviets were also there, with even more men, even more equipment.

    The Generals are not the ones that have to do the actual fighting and dying...That is for the combat troops, and having fought and defeated the Germans, most were ready to go home.
     
  4. CAC

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    The world was exhausted and OVER war...enough said.
     
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    The Americans and British knew exactly what Stalin was like. Churchill warned of the communist threat and coined the phrase Iron Curtain. It was to their political advantage in portraying Stalin as nice Uncle Joe while they were fighting the Germans. After they were defeated there was a whole mess of displaced people wandering across Europe trying to survive and find a way home. The American troops returned home or to the war with Japan. Britain had severe food rationing and many people in Europe were starving. People will only bear so much and after 6 years they were not ready to start another war.
     
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  6. ZeJanIt

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    thanks for the view points and advice. I agree with them all. but you must agree if we could have done it, the world would have been a better place and less people suffering for decades to come.
     
  7. CAC

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    Or it could have been worse...the future is a difficult beast to understand...
     
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  8. Takao

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    Done it? Done what? Start a war with Russia? How would that make the world a better place? How would a "glow in the dark" Europe be a better place? After all, that is where this hypothetical WW3 would be fought.

    Given the prospects of surviving a 40-50 year Cold War, as opposed to those of surviving a 5-10 year Hot War. I'll gladly take the longer cold one.
     
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    The soldiers were sick of fighting. Even so the Soviet soldiers would have fraught fiercely in defense of the Motherland. On the other hand the Western troops would probably have mutinied. Very likely have ended with the Soviets dominating Europe.
     
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    If there was enough vodka...
     
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    There was no reason to punish the Soviet Union,unless one thinks that the US were the police officer of the world with as mission to punish every one who did misbehave in the opinion of the US ,something as perpetual war for perpetual peace .
     
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    LOL!

    "The world a better place!"

    50-80 million humans died in WW2. What does that tell you?

    "Time to kill some more humans, for the greater benefit of.... the cockroaches! "

    Yeehaw! Oggy for world president!
     
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    The point that underlies this is the belief that FDR "gave away" Eastern Europe and Berlin in some back alley deals with the Soviets.
     
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    Neither the Soviets nor the Allies (Americans) were interested in fighting each other. Both sides knew that the resultant combat would be ruinous for both sides and the Europeans where the war would be fought. Instead, they fought a series of proxy wars, Korea, Vietnam, etc., Most of these wars were inconclusive as far as results were concerned, but it allowed both sides to try out new weapons and tactics with a smaller body count, although death in combat was still death.
     
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    [Citation required}

    :p
     
  16. Takao

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    Possession is nine tenths of the law...And the Soviets were in possession of Eastern Europe. Nothing FDR could do about the matter.
    Of course, the same ones that claim FDR "gave away" Eastern Europe" conveniently "forget" that the Soviets were essentially shut out of Japan.
     
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    In June of 1945 MacArthur demanded twice that the Soviets be urged to land in Hokkaido so as to draw forces away from Kyushu. Truman wrote to his wife saying he had accomplished the one thing he wanted from Potsdam, a promise from Uncle Joe that the USSR declare war on the Japanese 90 days after the end of the European phase. Vasilivsky (sp?), the Marshall in Manchuria told Stalin he could land three division on Hokkaido on August 22nd. The landings were canceled around the 18th.

    I believe the post-war "Red Scare" has caused that myth.
     
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    MacArthur also ensured the censorship surrounding Unit 731 post war, until the Soviet War Crimes trial dragged up a few of the details, then went quiet. Cold War was nice like that, protecting people with "employable skills."
     
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    I think you missed my point Opana...

    If this was a product of the post-war "Red Scare"...Then could you please show me a map delineating the Soviet Occupation sector in Tokyo...After all, Britain, the US, and France had occupational sectors in Berlin. Further on that, where was the Soviet occupational sector of the Japanese Home Islands?



    To the best of my knowledge, the landings were not cancelled on the 18th, but were postponed until the 24th or 25th, as heavier then expected Japanese resistance was encountered on Sakhalin.
     
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    I was talking about the revisionist position that the USSR was not allowed to even think about getting into Japan and that the atomic bombs were dropped hastily to prevent that.

    Richard Benis Franks discusses the postponement and then cancellation in his book on Downfall.
     

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