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The US Army is considering bringing back the WW2 era pink & greens back!

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  1. A-58

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    Pinks and greens are good looking uniforms.
     
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    The return of the brown-shoe army?
     
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    Pinks and greens looks mighty sharp. Nicer, I think, than the current look. I kind of like Bobby's idea of using the Ike jacket.
     
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    That would be cool.
     
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    I still think the women look better in skirts...
     
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    Now, if the Air Force would consider getting rid of those bus driver uniforms.
     
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    ...And in typical Army fashion (no pun intended) they're going to screw it up like they did with the UCP digital camo uniform. The only thing Universal about it was it was inferior to other patterns in virtually all environments, and because they tried to make it too many things, to too many people, it was disliked by virtually all.
    Why not make it belted like the old officers Pinks and Greens? The belt and the cut are what made the original look so sharp. Those are two things I liked about the Marine Corps Service Alpha Uniforms and hated about the Green Alpha's I wore in the US Army (that plus all the crap you had to hang on it).
    Plus the cut on the female version is atrocious. I know the use the shorter skirt to avoid accentuating the wider hips and butt on a female, but the shorter cut kinda' looks silly.

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    Australians use a "Sam Brown" belt system...I agree with USMC Price that there needs to be a belt, as in civvie fashion it gives shape to the tunic instead of looking like a coat.
     
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    I like it!
     
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    Agree about the belt. Also, do they need a ribbon to commemorate every time they break wind?
     
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    I hope they go with what was submitted, but I think that the Ike jacket would look much better. The current dress uniform looks too much like Navy/Air Force/Coast Guard uniforms.

    As long as we're talking about fantasy here, as for field wear, I'd like to see them go back to the OD green uniform of the Vietnam era. Have khaki versions when they deploy to those parts of the world. Everyone and his brother uses some sort of cammies now. Even the Navy. Really, blue cammies? If it keeps the sharks from finding you when floundering in the water then by all means keep it, but other than that it looks silly.

    And I agree about the over abundance of silly ribbons they are authorized to wear nowadays. If it was earned in combat, yes, it should be worn on the uniform. It it was earned at the office, say for shuffling papers above and beyond the call of duty, put it in the 201 File. An exception should be made for non-combat related qualification badges like parachute, the EIB/EFMB, pathfinders and such as that.
     
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    Agree...too many medals lessons the impression these awards should give. Its easy to see in Australia whos served overseas, whos done twenty years, whos seen combat (combat badge) - a quick glance will tell you whos in front of you.
     
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    Mein Gott! I never knew this forum had such influence, or maybe it's big brothers data collection efforts. They actually added the belt and changed the cut of the skirt on the female blouse like we suggested. I'm not too impressed with the maternity version, but hey there's only so much you can do there. Bobby, they're even looking into your Ike version!

    Now it looks like they're going to try and improve the filling too!

    Low Recruit Discipline Prompts Army to Redesign Basic Training

    1.) Discipline
    2.) Attention to detail
    3.) PT
    4.) Weapons proficiency
    5.) Institutional History
    6.) An actual challenging culminating field exercise where shoot, move, communicate is emphasized.
    7.) More hand to hand combat training

    Things the Marine Corps has always stressed. All good things in my opinion, though I'm not sure the Army still fully understands cause and effect.

    "The new BCT does, however, do away with hand grenade qualification and land navigation course qualification as graduation requirements."

    "We are finding that there are a large number of trainees that come in that quite frankly just physically don't have the capacity to throw a hand grenade 20 to 25 to 30 meters."

    You're kidding me, right? Enough of #3, PT of sufficient quantity and intensity and they will be physically able to make the throw. If they don't have enough time (their excuse) add a week, as it is Army Basic training is 24% shorter than Marine Corps recruit training. Add in sufficient fear of your Drill Instructor (well Drill Sergeant in the Army, ya'll need to change the name) and you'll heave that sum beech. They need to implement a robust recycling system like the Marine Corps. Fear of being dropped to a follow on series and having to spend more time on "the Island" has motivated many a recruit to give that extra effort necessary. From the article: "too much of a buddy mentality with NCOs and officers". They developed that somewhere, they need more fear instilled in basic training. Fear is a great motivator. Hell when my oldest son went to Parris Island, they were at The Crucible and ran three and a half platoons through a water obstacle (muddy ditch) with a six foot alligator laying in the middle. The recruits crawled around it because they were too afraid to say anything. Better to take your chances with the alligator than piss off the Drill Instructor. Maybe it was there on purpose. Finally, a recruit spoke up and the Drill Instructors freaked, there are a lot of questions asked when you have one or more of the recruits killed. That's a good example of a sufficient level of fear being instilled in the trainee.

    Lack of Land Nav skills is what got the 507th Maintenance Company (Jessica Lynch) whacked in Iraq. The GPS system malfunctioned and nobody knew how to navigate old school. Next thing you know they're in the middle of Indian country with hordes of restless natives. So we're going to lower emphasis on that skill?


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    Lack of urgency, lack of basic knowledge, lack of practice under stress, no attention to detail, lack of discipline, acceptance of sub-par performance, and this is what you get!
     
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    Oh Lordy!

    "The sticking point for women has been whether to add chest pockets to the jacket."

    "The team actually came up with the idea of, why don’t we give you the pockets that come with the uniform and you have them sewn on?”

    "A pocket on these types of uniforms aren’t functional pockets anyway,”

    Does anybody in the Army even bother to listen to themselves anymore?

    BTW, the photo caption "The “pinks and greens” uniform is seen here on the right next to other variations of the uniform. The "Ike jacket," a potential optional piece, is pictured in the middle." No, it is "pictured" on General Dwight Eisenhower, 2d from the left... :rolleyes:
     
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    Actually, the GPS did not malfunction, Captain King, commanding the 507th, misunderstood the assigned route for the company and highlighted only route BLUE on his map.When he reached the turn for route JACKSON (the correct route) they were late and the TCP was no longer manned, so he followed the route he understood was theirs. The GPS only indicated arrows showing the general direction, with waypoints and the next waypoint was in the same direction, so...
     
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    I was hoping that Mad Dog Mattis would do a little "house cleaning and re-organization" with the Army when he took over as head of DoD. Make it an Army again, and not some sort of Equal Opportunity Employer that it is now. I hate to say that, sad but true. Maybe appoint a retired Marine general as the HMFIC of the Dept of the Army.

    I never had trouble heaving a grenade. When I finished jump school I was doing one armed push-ups. Of course I weighed about 155 pounds back then, but the point is we were always running, doing extra push-ups and tons of PT and such so I never heard of any problems with the physical requirements. Now I read about guys failing PT tests. WTF?!?!?!?! When we did PT tests, it was like we were barely breaking a sweat compared to the regular PT we were doing.

    Hopefully something good will come of this before a lot of good men get KIA over this PC crap we have now.
     
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    I read a detailed account of the story in a book many moons ago and remembered incorrectly. The problem was not a malfunction but the GPS was an issue because they did not load the maps in their civilian, handheld Garmin GPS so as you said, all they got was directional arrows to way points. This would have sufficed if coordinated and used with traditional land nav skills and a map but he didn't. When his unit fell behind he didn't plot another route, he followed the arrows straight cross country trying to make up time. The terrain was so rough his trucks started breaking and getting stuck, further behind. Yes Captain King did annotate the wrong route on his map but that's not what got them whacked. Captain King would have still been OK if he'd turned onto route Blue (Highway 8), even though he was supposed to follow 3rd FSB up route Jackson (Highway 1). He'd have just ended up behind the Marines instead of the Army. He missed the first left onto Jackson/Hwy 1, he missed the second left onto Blue/Hwy 8, (both on the south side of the Euphrates River), he continued on highway 7 across the Euphrates River bridge into An Nasariyah. At the point he crossed the river the arrow should have been pointing 90 degrees left from his direction of travel, not straight ahead. A cursory look at his map should have indicated crossing the river before making a hard left=bad guy territory. To compound errors he crossed a second bridge over the Saddam Canal (still no light bulbs went off) and exited the city and followed the road until it ended in a T intersection and finally turned left. He hit a second T and then turned right (his route shouldn't have had a right hand turn). It was only then he decided to stop and turn around. No one shot at them the first time through. It was when they went back through the city the second time they got shot up.
     
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    Yes, the detailed account I was using was the official Army report on the incident, which I used when writing the draft chapter of the Army logistical history and a few other sources. IIRC, they did not have maps to load into their Garmin Extrex Vista GPS, but I only meant to correct the idea that the GPS "malfunctioned". Nor was I disagreeing with your point that Captain King's land navigation skills were lacking. That said, they were unlikely to have been OK if they turned onto BLUE, since Highway 8 led directly through downtown An Nasiriyah, south of the river. That was the point of JACKSON, Highway 1, it bypassed An Nasiriyah to the south and west. Nor would following BLUE done King and the 507th any favors, since the Marines were not ahead on Highway 8, the leading elements of TF Tarawa were 10 kilometers south of the intersection of Highway 7/8 and 8. TF Tarawa's battle for An Nasiriyah and "Ambush Alley", Highway 7/8" began after the attack on the 507th.
     

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