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  1. ttobin

    ttobin Member

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    Hi,

    My uncle was killed in world war 11. I think he was killed parachuting into cyprus or sicilly but not sure. I had a picture of his grave. His name is Charlie Tobin and I think he was killed in 1944. I would love to find out some details and or locae his grave if possible. Any help much appreciated.

    Tom Tobin
     
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  2. Skipper

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    Hello Tom, welcome on this forum. Could you give us your uncle's nationality and place of burial , this would probably help.
     
  3. ttobin

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    He is Irish and served with the British Army. I am not certain of the birth place but think it is cyprus or sicily
     
  4. ttobin

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    meant to say burial place not birth place !
     
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    Welcome to the Forum, Tom. I hope you find additional assistance in finding out about the operation in which your uncle was serving. I believe I located him at the Commonwealt War Graves Commission based on the information you posted.
    CWGC :: Casualty Details

    and this is the certificate at the site with a photo of the cemetery

    CWGC :: Certificate

    Guardsman CHARLES FRANCIS TOBIN

    2719627, Irish Guards and 1st, Special Air Service Regiment, A.A.C.
    who died age 23 on 04 September 1943

    Son of Charles and Bridget Tobin, of Thomastown, Co. Kilkenny, Irish Republic.
    Remembered with honour BARI WAR CEMETERY VII. D. 18.

    Good Luck in your search
     
  6. PzJgr

    PzJgr Drill Instructor

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    Hello Tom and welcome to the forum. As you can see, there are plenty of helpful members here so hopefully we can get you 'hooked up'. Good luck
     
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    Hi Tom -- Welcome! As you have probably already figured out, this is a wonderful place. It looks like you may already have the beginning of an answer to your question but I hope you will still stick around and explore the rest of the forum!

    Cheers!
     
  8. GPRegt

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    Hello, Tom

    Welcome to the Forum.

    From his memorial details I can say that your Uncle was a member of the Special Raiding Squadron (which was the renamed 1st SAS) and took part in Operation Baytown - it was launched on the 3rd and its objective was to capture the port of Bagnara. Your Uncle was one of five SAS soldiers killed in the hill fighting that latsed for the next three days.

    Steve W.
     
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  9. ttobin

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    Steve,

    Many thanks for the info.

    Do you know is there anyway I can track down more or some one I could talk to.

    The only thing re the memorium is that all the details seem correct i.e. his mother and fathers name but the address (if my uncle) is not correct. The address given is about 40 km from his actual address.

    Much appreciated.

    I will keep digging.

    Tom.
     
  10. GPRegt

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    You're very welcome.

    As to getting more information, you could try and obtain his Service Record. Yoiu'll need his Next of Kin to help you.

    About the difference in address. He muts have been living in his own place.

    Steve W.
     
  11. krieg

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    welcome aboard mate
    a fine place here you will enjoy your stay.. best krieg
     
  12. ttobin

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    Thanks for that.
     
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    welcome to the forum
     
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    Hi my father served with your uncle Charles Tobin. He was killed in Bagnara in Italy in 1943 I have a photo of his temporary grave my dad took also the spot where he died. Charles and my dad were good friends and served together 1 SAS.
     
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    UK, Army Roll of Honour, 1939-1945
    Name: Charles Tobin
    Given Initials: C F
    Rank: Guardsman
    Death Date: 4 Sep 1943
    Number: 2719627
    Birth Place: Eire
    Residence: Eire
    Branch at Enlistment: Foot Guards
    Theatre of War: Italy
    Regiment at Death: Irish Guards
    Branch at Death: Foot Guards

    UK, Commonwealth War Graves, 1914-1921 and 1939-1947
    Name: Charles Francis Tobin
    Age: 23
    Birth Date: abt 1920
    Death Date: 4 Sep 1943
    Cemetery: Bari War Cemetery It. 4.
    Burial Country: Italy
    Father: Charles Tobin
    Mother: Bridget Tobin
    Regimental Number: 2719627
    Region or Memorial: Italy


    Ireland, Civil Registration Deaths Index, 1864-1958
    Name: Francis Tobin
    Estimated birth year: abt 1920
    Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1943
    Death Age: 23
    Registration district: Dublin South
    Volume: 2
    Page: 311
    FHL Film Number: 101742

    As previously mentioned (Post 10) you can apply for a copy of his service records (Request records of deceased service personnel - GOV.UK), as he died in service you will not need a copy of his death certificate but will need to provide his CWGC details.
    These will provide the skeleton for his military service, you can then add to them by obtaining copies of War Diaries from The National Archives at KEW. There are several members of the sister site ww2talk.com that are regulars at Kew, so perhaps join that site as well

    Thinking further on this the Guards keep their own records and checking this the best place too start I would suggest is :
    The Guards Museum - Family Research

    TD
     

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