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U-boat commanders and war crimes

Discussion in 'Submarines and ASW Technology' started by Hummel, Nov 14, 2010.

  1. GRW

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    The British wanted to try the commander of U-2336 for war crimes because he sank two merchant ships- Sneland I and Avondale Park - in the last hours before the German surrender, and after the Kreigsmarine had ordered U-boats to stop attacking shipping. The commander claimed his radio was u/s and that he had never received the signal, and the British couldn't prove otherwise.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Avondale_Park
    http://www.warsailors.com/singleships/snelandI.html
    http://www.uboat.net/men/commanders/617.html
     
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    This is a neat topic with a lot of new information! Let's keep this going :)
     
  3. Herr Kaleun

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    http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/imt/nca/nca-02/nca-02-16-responsibility-14-06-02.html

    From the above link...

    Moehle graphically describes Doenitz's incitement of his men to the murder of survivors:

    "A type VII boat (600-tonner) reported in her war log that when outward bound from a base in France she met far out in the Bay of Biscay a raft with five enemy airmen, but was not able to take them on board owing to shortage of room (she had a complement of 54 and carried full provisions for 14 weeks). The boat therefore proceeded without taking any notice of the survivors.
    "This action of the U-boat was vehemently denounced by the Commander in Chief U-boats' staff. It was stated that she would have acted more correctly in destroying this raft since it was highly probably that the enemy air crew would be rescued by the enemy and in the meantime might once more have destroyed a German U- boat.

    "This occurrence made the views of the Commander in Chief U-boats clear to me."
     
  4. Jaap Vermeer MDE

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    Admiralty War Diary and two articles
     

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  5. James Stewart

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    This is true but it is the nature of propaganda and psych. war to do so.
    It is no secret that unrestricted submarine warfare was the name of the game and that to stay safe as a submarine this was the way it would go and all sides conducted USW, Donitz although a confirmed Nazi and supporter of Hitler was given a bit of a raw deal.
    Laconia - Hartenstein had little choice but to help when he found himself surrounded by hundreds of Italians but to be fair he gave the best he could to all and one has to respect him for this.
    The resulting "Laconia Order", it was no more than was already the situation - and in most instances, the U Boat/submarine was never in any position to help as most attacks were at night and on defended convoys, only in more distant waters when the ship was sailing along could help be offered. ( And not all offered help).
    The war at sea was hard and uncompromising but by and large, was a war without hatred and was seen as a job that had to be done.
    A decent read if one can find it "Neither Sharks Nor Wolves" By Timmothy Mulligan ( Naval Institute Press) - a look at who crewed the submarines ( U Boats).
     
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    .....if I'm not mistaken, the Americans gunned down Japanese sailors/troops in the water/in life rafts at the Battle of the Bismarck Sea.....
    ..war is not nice and clean .....not a movie.....etc
     
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