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Discussion in 'Uniforms, Personal Gear (Kit) and Accessories' started by Dave55, Dec 18, 2015.

  1. Dave55

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    I came across this picture on the net and was wondering what service the hats with the eagles on them represent.

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    They look almost like the insignia on the US Coast Guard officer hats of the era but not quite.
     
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    I thought it might have been some official Merchant Marine, but looks as though the Skipper has nailed it down!
     
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    I wasn't 100% sure at first because the eagles feet in the OP pic are apart holding olive branch and arrows like the National Eagle, the paining in Skips picture has the feet together and holding an anchor.

    This is the WWII version of the US Coast Guard hat insignia.

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    I think Skipper is right, it is a variant, but haven't found an example that proves it.
     
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    I started with coastguard, and went all around their houses, but still can't quite see a direct match with the GM leaflet's badges Dave started with. There's a great many similar types across US services, but nothing precisely on the money.
     
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    Again the pictures you just posted have the eagles feet together holding an anchor, as did your original photo of the gentleman with the painting and the photo I posted of the WWII hat badge. All same-same. All of the eagles shown in the original post have the eagles feet spread, holding olive branches and arrows.
    I think the variant is the one shown in the OP's pictures, because any I've seen match Skipper's painting. I thought it might have been a pre-war type but Skippers newest picture, of an officer from 1934 shows the same "feet together with anchor", makes that less likely.
     
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    The curse of national insignia, isn't it. So many eagles, so many very similar, but I'd say still nothing that exactly matches, and the devil's in the detail.

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    I wonder if they could be civilians wearing a naval-style uniform in some official capacity with the Navy? Civilian advisors to the navy wearing naval uniforms so they would blend in a bit more easily and to carry more authority in the technical area related to the diesel engines?
     
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    I was thinking along those lines too. The man in the bottom row third from the left seems to have a lieutenant bar on his collar though and I didn't think GS employees wore them.
     
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    I think Jeff and VP's first post were on the right track. The link in Post #2 does discuss how the Detroit Diesel Division trained servicemen as well as civilians, so that would explain why some are in uniform.

    Also, the shape of the black background on the insignia is not consistent which might suggest they were not manufactured in large quantities.
     
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    Which would also help explain why it's proving so hard to pin down an apparently somewhat niche insignia!
     
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    That's what I was thinking.

    I located 2 of the 3 listed as "Killed in Service": Orvin L. Vyse (Tank Corps) and Robert A. Wishart (Army Air Corps). Not sure that helps the matter at hand as it seems their Honor Roll lists every company employee that served in the military.
     
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    First time poster and hopefully someone will notice it, since it has been some time since this subject came up. Hi, I wanted to learn more about my dad's tshirt insignia. Actually, I was hoping I could find a reproduction tshirt to wear on appropriate events. But I have had a problem finding the insignia on his shirt. I'm posting a picture (hopefully) so someone can help me. I think the cap medal picture is very similar as the insignia on Dad's shirt. But the shield below the eagle is different? [​IMG]
     

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