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US Dogtag Schnee Eifel.

Discussion in 'Living History' started by Aru-Ed, Jun 8, 2010.

  1. Aru-Ed

    Aru-Ed Member

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    Last weekend i went on a trip to the Eifel region.
    Together with a friend we tried to find some new spots to do some searching but with no result.
    So we dicided to go to a spot where we found some interesting items a few trips back.
    This time a had a good signal close to an foxhole.
    And before i realised it i was standing there with a dogtag in my hands.
    I dicided to try the spot again with my detector and again it gave a good sound, another dogtag saw the daylight after 65 years.
    Both dogtags belonging to the same soldier.

    MANGERUGA J P JR , 13187097

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    It brought back memories of me finding the bracelet of John L. Page and this time i will do my best to try to find MANGERUGA, Joseph or his still living relatives to return them the dogtag.
    This is what i already discoverd : NARA - AAD - Display Full Records - Electronic Army Serial Number Merged File, ca. 1938 - 1946 (Enlistment Records)

    And that he became a POW on 16-12-'44 at the start of the Battle of the Bulge.

    NARA - AAD - Display Full Records - World War II Prisoners of War Data File, 12/7/1941 - 11/19/1946

    I already wrote some veteran associations of the divisions i think he belonged to and i'm waiting for them to reply.
    I will keep you all informed on this new quest.
     
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    Biak Adjutant Patron  

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    Amazing to be able to find and hopefully return to the families. Keep up the great work!
     
  3. T. A. Gardner

    T. A. Gardner Genuine Chief

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    Looks like he went back to New Jersey after the war and died in Atlantic County in 1995. He appears to have survivors but the sites all want money for details so maybe someone could find some free ones to fill in the blanks.
     
  4. Aru-Ed

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    Every help is more than welcome, thanks so far!
     
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    Hi Aru-ed, nice find, hope you manage to get the dog tags to the family of the original owner, did you have any other good finds :D
     
  6. Aru-Ed

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    Yes, quite a few!;)

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    T. A. Gardner Genuine Chief

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    You know, you should start GPS marking the sites of these finds. It would make for good battlefield archeology practice.
     
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    T. A. Gardner Genuine Chief

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    This is the address on the tags as it appears today in south Altantic City:
     

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    Good CSI work! Did you find an obituary? Maybe post what you found and we can try to do some digging with your leads.
     
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    Slipdigit Good Ol' Boy Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Perhaps we could call the local government and see if they can provide help or point us to someone who would?
     
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    T. A. Gardner Genuine Chief

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    I'm going to try a couple of things along that line tomorrow and see what I can find out.
     
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    That would be great, thanks again.
     
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    Okay, made some progress. Found some of his relatives Gertrude and Robert Mangerura (that's pronounced Man-drew-ga) who said Joseph Jr. passed away 4/28/2008 but his wife Sylvia and son Jeffery survive him. I'm trying to get a hold of his wife. Will let you know.
     
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    Most excellent.
     
  15. Steve Petersen

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    Wow...

    I also concur with the GPS idea. There may be relatives of others lost in the same area trying to find remains etc.
     
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    Great work Terry.
     
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    T. A. Gardner Genuine Chief

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    Just talked to Joseph's wife Sylvia in Miami Florida. Got an address that the tags can be sent to. Seems he changed his name post war to Manners. So, how do we proceed from here?
     
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    This is great news but i need some proof of them that we are talking about the same person here.
    I'm not just going to send the dogtags to any adress.
    If they are able, they can contact me through this forum by PM.
    So we can exchange adresses etc.

    I would like to thank you for all you did so far, i'm realy surprised how quick this is all going!
     
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    I have all the info in a photo archive on my computer and use Google-earth to mark the spots where i found interesting or personal items.
     
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    I talked to Sylvia Manners Joseph's wife at some length. I don't doubt I have the right person. She discussed their going on a trip to Germany to see the POW camp he was in. While she couldn't remember the name of the town (she appears to have early alzheimer's), she gave details that it was now a summer camp for kids, that her husband couldn't finish his lunch at the hotel one day because several German men were talking briskly at the next table and he thought they sounded too much like the camp guards.
    Everyone in this family I have talked to offered up that he was a POW without being asked. The name Mangerura is unusual enough in itself. This generation of the family all are in their 60's + and most said they were not computer users.
    The best I can do is give you the US phone numbers and you can call and talk to them yourself.
     
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