USSR Declares war on allies after berlin?

I would still like to know as to why the USSR would attack the allies?

The Mig-3 and the La-5 both could reach speeds and altitude of the B-29's and unlike in Japan where the sky's were clear for the sole Anola Gay, the sky's over Europe would be filled with thousands of enemy aircraft.


Attacking Vladivostok has already been discussed. Opening a second front in Russia would only complicate things for the U.S. as now America would have two fronts to supply, both of which were much longer then what Germany suffered and they were over oceans....

 

I agree, attacking west is a silly proposition, not in Stalin's mindset in the least at the time. And it would take the Soviets doing the attacking, not the western allies, Patton's off the wall desire toward the Soviets was dismissed out of hand.

America however had supplied two fronts for the entire war, over those same oceans, and without the USSR getting any, our supply would increase not decrease. The Soviets had little in the way of blue water navy ships to interdict the shipping of the US.

But there is not a single reason for the USSR to attack west, and almost every reason not to do so. This is a non-starter as a "what-if" proposition without considering somebody goes completely off the rails, and isn't stopped by their own peoples.

 

Yes, however, this time the U.S. would be supplying her own troops on two different front in far greater number, while having virtually no navy, Soviet aircraft would be in abundance and have the luxury of fighting over their own land...


But again as you said, this premise is silly....

 

Agreed "Sloniksp", just a non-starter and silly for the time-frame. Both the west and the Soviets were war-weary by this time, and just wanted to get 'er done and get home to their own problems.

 

Couldnt have said it better. The bad guys had been defeated, the war was over.

 

Stumbled in to Europe eh?

Number of books read? 0

 

I would say that it would probably end in a very bloody stalemate, but I would imagine that Allies would be pushed back quite far before they could stop the Soviets, but they would have eventually, and I think given the Soviets style of war it very well might have devolved into a WW1 style trench war. From what I have read of the Soviets they liked Grand battles very much, and it certainly seems to be how they liked to fight, huge amounts of artillery, men and tanks. But, as others have said, the chance of them fighting is pretty small. Stalin was no idiot, he may have been somewhat insane, but he certainly knew what he was doing. Oh, and first post here, so hello to everyone.

 

Beat me to it. I find his point of veiw is a common one found from watching crude movies and lower class TV docs.

 

Didn't Mean Guided Missiles Lol!! Just Anti Ground Missiles not AGM-65 or Other Modern ATs Missiles!!

 

Hei Remember That this is a ProtoTypes (Piece of ****!!) So No Problem in giving Them ,but as U Know Without Their Adds or Upgrades!!

 

I think the USSR had the second largest air force too and its supply lines was very short because the airports and factories in its land and close to frontline,while USA did not have this advantage


USSR is not Germany it is very very vast country and the Soviet factories and cities in every where,and they can easily move their factories to the deep,while USA airforce lost more than 50% of its strength over Germany for destroy just 10% of german production

If Turkey did not accept (for example in 2003 Turkey did not help USA airforce)
from where B29 will take off to bomb or nuke the USSR?

 

Oh,........you mean rockets......huge difference.....HUGE

 

Might I suggest Persia (Iran), New Dehli (India), Cario (Egypt)? All within the bomber's range. But still a silly premise, it would take Soviet aggression to the west, and I doubt Stalin was even considering such a move.

 

This smacks very much of NATO v warsaw pact.The landscape of western europe is very different from the steppes of russia,there is no way the russians could have used its size to the same effect as it had in eastern europe.
The Nato plan was to channel the russian forces into killing fields,just think of the 300 spartans v the persian army,

also add the germans,french,italians and poles to the americans and british and the russian advantages arent so clear cut.

 

Allied controlled Germany was very rough terrain. A truly decisive concentration of force require a 3:1 ratio, though no doubt the Russians would try to mass in decisive sectors something much greater than that. I doubt the Red Army was as incompetent or as unstoppable as some would think. The Russians would not have artillery superiority and would have air inferiority; by 1945 the punch of its infantry divisions had significantly decreased due to depletion of veteran soldiers (Glantz) so it would basically be a nightmare for everyone.

The Americans had no more atomic bombs after Nagasaki, but more were in the pipeline and productivity was increasing rapidly... tactical nukes would be a dangerous monkey wrench.

 

Colonel - No, no this is silly.
Dino - What's silly?
Colonel - No, the whole premise is silly and it's very badly written. I'm the senior officer here and I haven't had a funny line yet. So I'm stopping it.

 

Mad props for the Monty Python reference; however, you can not put the Genie back into the bottle. The best we can hope for now is for the thread to morph into: What if the Russians Bombed Pearl Harbor after the Japanese occupied it following the attack on 7 December 1941 using the B-29s they copied, from those that landed in Vladivostock, would the english speaking super ninjas wearing American uniforms, carrying silenced sniper rifles whilst riding around Oahu in a hijacked tour bus, full of prostitutes, flicking throwing stars at barking dogs and nun chucking lackidazical sentries at their undermanned coastal defense positions be able to mount a sufficient defense or would Hitler marry Eva Braun against the wishes of Goering and Himmler anyway? and if He did would they choose the gold or silver place settings?

Hopefully you can get the Genie back into the bottle......

 

Gromit801:it cant be that silly,the whole Nato defence plan was based on just such a scenario.

Triple c:Its all well and good having a big numerical advantge but if you have to squeeze them through narrow gaps then you are in big trouble.
A big portion of general models thinking(defencive) was concerned with shrinking the front,he recognised that a large front was impossible to defend,shrinking the front was a problem in russia,its not such a big problem in western europe.

 

Thanks for having me laugh so hard I blew soda out mt nose. That got you a salute!

 

yeah..........I know the feeling. I had a very similar experience this moring at "Talk" same premis only it was Za and Coffee through my nose.