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Voigtlander &sohn binoculars inscribed ...General lumsden

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  1. Claudia Morris

    Claudia Morris New Member

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    Hi I have some binoculars found in my aunts loft.They look so old and interesting but I know nothing about them.
    They are made by voigtlander &sohn but they are also inscribed ...General lumsden.
    I wondered who he was and if these actually were his...any information would be greatly received thanks...claudia.
     
  2. harolds

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    I have a Mannlicher-Schoenauer rifle with a Voightlander & Sohn scope. They were a well regarded optics company and were granted many patents-several of which were bought by Zeiss. The company didn't survive WW2.
     
  3. Takao

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    I'd point out that the company did survive WW2, and was not sold to Zeiss until 1956.

    The only Generals named Lumsden that I am familiar with were all British.
    Herbert Lumsden - Wikipedia
    Maybe they were a war trophy.
     
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    Thankyou for thinformation
     
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    Thankyou . When you say war trophy do you mean taken from the other side...claudia
     
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    Possibly...He found them in an overrun German camp. Or they could have been a captured pair given to him by some of the men he commanded.

    But, you say that they are marked "voigtlander &sohn"...If that is correct, they may have been purchased by him during the inter-war period, because if they were Heer
    issue, they should be marked with "ddx" - this was the three letter manufacturer code for voigtlander &sohn.

    Like these.
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    No, we were both wrong. Zeiss got controlling interest in 1925 and acquired the company outright in 1965.
     
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    Nope.

    Schering AG bought controlling interest in 1923, with mass production beginning in 1925. Schering AG sold the company to Zeiss in 1956.
     
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    I collect cameras.
    Some of my favourite 'users' when I could be bothered to process & print film were 50s & 60s Voigtlanders. Beautiful rangefinders with the most satisfying controls & remarkable accuracy.
    None of which has anything to do with Lumsden or his binoculars. Merely a passing comment.

    Quite the soldier, if it is he (DSOs don't grow on trees).
    German bins far from uncommon among allied soldiers. Private pre-war purchase or captured (despite a wider reputation for slightly shoddy German manufacturing only just starting to subside in the 20s/30s, their optics were always respected.) With a chap like him, even possibly picked up in First War service.
    As one of Monty's Corps Commanders, there might well be a shot with bins visible out there somewhere.

    Could you share a picture of the inscription, Claudia?
     
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    Not according to Historic Camera website. Schering AG did buy controlling interest in '23 but turned around and sold it to Zeiss in '25. Bought the whole thing, lock, stock and barrel, in '65.
     
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    You do realize that "1965" is a typo, and it should be 1956.
    3 websites and 2 books say differently.

    The two companies were merged into one in 1965. It had been bought lock, stock and barrel in '56, but remained a separate entity.
     
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    Do you know anything of family military service connected to your aunt, Claudia?
    An indication of someone that could have served with Lumsden might help.
    If your family is in the UK, it could indicate, a gift, but if American, given the circumstances of his death on a US ship, the chain of ownership might conceivably be a little different.

    Lots of mights & coulds, I'm afraid.
     

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