Was FDR to blame for Pearl Harbor?

I'm not mistaked about Lend-Lease or any other post. Lend-Lease
was primarily foreign aid to help keep,our soon to be allies, in the war. I mentioned it, because it's a good example, of Roosevelt's manipulations of the time. Manipulations that would help led the US into WW2.

It was not an even exchange, of one thing for another. The name Lend-Lease itself, was misleading and designed to be that way.

As far as getting paid back, some WW2 loans may have been worked out, over the decades since WW2. But that's not the same thing as being paid back and there is a big difference. So Clint, you need to do some more
reading, if you don't understand this.

I think it was a good idea thing FDR helped our future allies. What I don't agree with, is the way FDR lied to voters, in order to get reelected in 1940.

It has taken a long time,but the truth has finally come out!

 

How would the US get into the fight with Germany by getting attacked by Japan? On December 8th, FDR asked congress to declare war on Japan and Japan only. The Germans weren't in on it (sorry Bluto). Germany, Italy and Japan signed a defensive alliance only, with members coming to the aid of other members who were attacked by foriegn powers. Japan bombing Pearl Harbor did not fit this criteria. Hitler, being the brilliant military genious he was did the warring world a favor and declared war on the US on December 11th, as did Italy. Germany and Italy were by no means treaty bound to enter into combat operations on behalf of Japan and their actions at Pearl Harbor.

Now, my opinion is that the US would've eventually been drawn into the European war sooner or later, but at that time, FDR and the US were only at war with Japan.

 

Indeed we sent them some old DDs that weren't worth much more to us than there scrap value and got some very useful bases out of it.

 

I never said anything about conspiracy. I don't believe FDR, knew in
advance, about the Pearl Harbor Attack. There is no way that could
have been kept secret all these years. As it turned out, confronting
confronting Imperial Japan was the right thing to do. And FDR knew
this would likely led to war, even though he had promised the American
Public, not to persue a war. But FDR looked for a reason, to join in the
war, in both the Atlantic and Pacific.

I think FDR was more concerned about his legacy and continued political
power, than anything else. His economic policies of the Great Depression
had failed, unemployment comming into the election of 1940, was about
15%, yet the tax burden on the American People had tripled.

Winning a major war, would change all that. FDR was an ends justifies
the means type of guy.

 

well if were talking destroyer deal... yes we wanted and for a time needed them. but to the british and more so churchill it was the act that mattered just as much ...the show in his mind of future american intent. and on this side of the pond and at that time intent and words mattered to us here. the destroyer deal treaty was posted by me in stump last week if anyones interested. whos bluto popeye..

 

the doubt though was perceived to be in germany though. anyhow ill leave you to your debate. seems a little inscestuous to me.

 

wheres the door... it was not the perception that churchill had though . he wanted the germans in 1940 to be as sure as he of this. his six volumes are littered with his own words on the matter. as too their finest hour. im not doubting anyones sincerity here i actually think you all need to stand back a little as you all seem to be on the same page with the whys and not the whats being the problem . ill get me coat.121

 

A few links to some reading material which some on this link may find informative - particularly some of the newer forum members who I assume did not read the Forum posts on the subject:

http://www.ww2f.com/257480-post42.html

http://www.ww2f.com/369308-post4.html

http://www.ww2f.com/wwii-today/11591-lend-lease-bill-settled.html

http://www.ww2f.com/wwii-general/27658-western-aid-russia-during-war.html

http://www.ww2f.com/wwii-general/9471-re-evaluating-lend-lease.html

http://www.ww2f.com/wwii-general/34584-before-marshall-plan.html

http://www.ww2f.com/information-requests/33401-lend-lease-poland-france-what-given.html

Other links relevant to the discussion:

http://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/fdr-churchill/

http://books.google.com/books?id=zEGj1moYJ_0C&pg=PA23&lpg=PA23&dq=FDR+wanted+war&source=bl&ots=p98AkNrYXO&sig=IW4D5Th4RpV4mgWRM67A6S_fhg8&hl=en&ei=uLe2SvCyFJSsMYjz4NoO&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=FDR%20wanted%20war&f=false

http://www.fdrheritage.org/fdrbio.htm#13

http://www.course-notes.org/us_history/notes/the_american_pageant_12th_edition_textbook_notes/chapter_35_franklin_d_roosevelt_and_t

http://faculty.virginia.edu/setear/courses/howweget/fdr.htm

 

creditable stuff op. ive followed your posts and threads with interest and glee many times. im failing here though to understand w hat you are seemingly in disagreement with me about. perhaps you would like to explain where we differ? and as for research no one on here is or should be above questioning be it factual of which you are undoubtedly impressive or reasoning which is addittionally impoortant. i also think the horses mouth matters and in this case churchill provides that particular horse. but no one is questiooning your credentials. i do i/t but i cant spell for toffee....

 

That's Congressman Blutarsky to you

 

Actually, it was "Senator and Mrs. Blutarsky, Washington DC."

Go take out the garbage....