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  1. Biak

    Biak Adjutant Patron  

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    So it appears Kennedy was in on his own assassination.

    It would be entertaining to listen in on a conversation between 'Bolshevik' and MTG.
    Pearl Harbor conspiracy -solved.
    Kennedy assassination conspiracy - solved,
    The conspiracy behind the start of WW1 - solved,
    Area 51 - Aliens are our friends. Alternative Fact.
    Hitler's sanctuary in South America disclosed.
    The hidden truth behind the Moon landings - exposed.
     
  2. Bolshevik

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    Pear Harbour...no conspiracy there.
    Start of WW1...none there either.
    Area51... None to be had. Aliens don't exist
    Hitler died in the bunker..no conspiracy but the Russians did keep telling us they found no remains..
    Moon landings...who said they didn't happen? I certainly didn't.

    As for Kennedy..... definitely something STINKS about it...and the stench LINGERS ON

    So as you can see, just because one subscribed to one theory, THAT DOES NOT MEAN I BELIEVE THEM ALL.

    Any of them. That is a technique that other people have to discredit the Kennedy theorists.

    And it certainly doesn't apply to me.

    Lee Harvey Oswald was never put to trial. So he is NOT GUILTY. It's as simple as that.
     
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  3. Kai-Petri

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    Why his rifle was in the room? Was it not the same he shot at the ex-general? WHO brings a rifle to work? Sure you gonna use it!
     
  4. USMCPrice

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    Then you haven't ever had to deal with any pro-Custer partisans.

    Except there is a large segment of people that don't accept that simple fact and refuse to accept the official story.

    And that was argued in the Custer case as well. Government coverup, Custer was dead and didn't have a day in court to disprove the disaster was his fault. His widow Libby Custer's lifelong pursuit of protecting the General's memory at the expense of fellow officers, Reno and Benteen upon whose shoulders she attempted to fix blame for the disaster. Writers took up her cause and the earliest book on the battle exonerated the General and laid the reason for his defeat at the feet of disloyal subordinates. It really didn't stick to Benteen as so many of the survivors credited him, his soldierly abilities and courage for saving the part of the 7th Cavalry that survived. Reno on the other hand, demanded a Court of Inquiry in an attempt to clear his name. (He was exonerated)
     
  5. Bolshevik

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    In the end, if the Johnson administration had put this thing to sleep to begin with, rather than piling one lie on top of another, no one would have anything to complain about.

    Too many inconsistencies, too many documents held in check for too long, too many witnesses disappearing, the whole mess was noticed at the time as being on the nose.

    Even Fletcher Prouty, reading a New Zealand newspaper noted that it was a very quick wrap up of the story for the foreign media.

    The case needs to be put to bed once and for all. The House Select Committee findings should be enough to put doubt on the Warren Commission, but too much time had passed, and America just didn't care about the untimely Fall of Camelot anymore'.

    We had something similar from the dismissal of the Whitlam government in 1975.

    The general election fought supposedly to right the wrong of the dismissal was decided instead on the ECONOMY rather than anything to do with the injustice of the event. Time had passed, tempers had cooled, and practicality took over.
    This is exactly what has happened to the Kennedy case. Too much time has passed, a different generation is in power, and Camelot is not and never will be restored.

    And who the hell is MTG?

    It seems that to be tagged as a pro Oswald supporter, you have to put up with being tarred with a brush that to " believe one conspiracy theory is to believe them all"

    What a lot of bullshit!

    It's a wonder you haven't mentioned the Bilderbergs, Princess Diana and her murder by the British Royal family, Covid 19 was a Chinese biological weapons, the US government was behind the 9/11 attacks from the underground documentary " Loose Change", the "Protocols of The Elders of Zion" and the Jewish World domination conspiracy, "flat earth" believers, etc etc etc.....

    Have I left anything out?

    Is there anything more that you want to accuse me of?

    I suppose we'll all find out the truth about it when we die.

    Who knows what will happen?

    Oh yeah....
    Tonya Harding was paid off by the American Olympic officials to perpetrate the stabbing attack on her fellow teammate to generate higher media interest in a games broadcast package that was loosing money for the network in question....

    Barack Obama came from Kenya and forged his birth certificate to be put into the Oval Office by the modern day Black Panthers.

    Yoko Ono paid off Mark David Chapman to shoot John Lennon so she could remarry and control the Lennon fortune once and for all. This explains why she was standing less than four feet from Lennon who was hit multiple times and Yoko wasn't even scratched.

    Elvis Presley is alive and well and living in the Heartbreak Hotel.

    Have I left anything out?
     
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  6. Carronade

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    One thing that put me off about the movie was that Stone ended it with the note that Clay Shaw was indicted, as if that proved the whole story. Stone is a talented director, and he figured that people would see that and react "Aha! It's all true!"
     
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  7. Kai-Petri

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    If the lone gun man theory is not correct why Nixon or either the paper men were shot? It would not be a big problem to Mafia to exclude enemies of their " president " or the enemies of their empire. And Hoover for 50 years like an ant umpire.
    Why was Marilyn first taken to ambulance and then taken back home. Bad medical judgement or too much information?
    This continues forever.

    Bolshevik,
    Why only one side of film is used? The other films show no shooting from behind or the front. The "facts" that the other clues were based upon.

    I would send the true shooters to death row but who can you send? Texas?
     
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  8. Bolshevik

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    No.

    The message was that in 1974, Clay Shaw was revealed to be a CIA operative. Garrison already found out about his role in the Centro Mondiale banking scandal in Italy.

    The message was in response to Harrison's Easter Sunday interview of Shaw where he asked him straight out if he had ever been a contract agent for the CIA.
    Shaw said " And if I were, do you think for a moment that I'd be here, talking to you."

    It didn't say "he'd been indicted" at all.

    Remember, that in his last interview with Garrison in the hotel, Joe Pesci as a very agitated David Ferrie tells Garrison and Lou Ivon that Shaw is "untouchable, highest clearance".

    Shaw's denial of such is simply highlighted for the viewer.
    But of course you have to lie about that for effect. The message mentions that when Shaw died, no autopsy was allowed.

    Go back to the film and have a look for yourself.

    There was more than enough truth in Stone's film. Read Garrisons book "On The Trail of the Assassin's" to see that Stone tried to tell the story from Garrisons book.

    And from the sounds of it, Carronade hasn't bothered to read that either

    What other films? Give me a link.

    If there were "other films" why didn't the Warren Commission subpoena them? Time Life purchased the Zapruder film, and then doctored it.

    But of course, the whole story was essentially over once Lee Oswald was silenced. Then the authorities could close the books and sit back and get on with the job of playing cops and cons.

    But witnesses kept getting knocked off. And the Warren Commission was unable to convince.

    Otherwise the House Select Committee would never have been convened
     
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  9. Biak

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    Now we're quoting Joe Pecsi reading a script in a movie? Where's Jason Borne when you need him?

    5 posts in a row appears as someone arguing with themselves.
     
  10. Takao

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    Adolf Hitler was never put on trial either... Thus, your logic dictates that he is also NOT GUILTY(despite the fact that he was Guilty).

    Nixon was not put on trial, but he was GUILTY.


    Just because one is not put on trial, does not mean that they are not guilty.
     
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    Garrison...That is the prosecuter that was unable to get a conviction, and was so embittered by his failure, that he wrote a book.

    What wonderful & unbiased sources you have.

    Funny, that you basically castigate the Warren Commision for practicing confirmation bias. While at the same time pat yourself on the back for doing the same thing. Hypocrite much?
     
  12. Bolshevik

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    If you read Garrisons book, you'll understand exactly why there was no conviction for Clay Shaw.

    In Stone's film they spell it out.

    Look, if Oswald was guilty, then more should have been done to protect him so that justice could be done.

    It is not to the credit of anyone in the law enforcement community that the most important person in custody could not even be protected long enough to be moved the station.

    Look, if you guys want to believe the US government, go ahead.

    But there are plenty of people who don't and never will.
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    And don't put words and thoughts in my mouth like "Hitler is innocent"

    That's your extrapolation, not mine

    Like I said, one fine day, something will be discovered that explains the whole mess in terms other than it was Oswald alone.

    But government workers it seems can get away with ANYTHING.
     
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    Parkland By Hanks, Goetzman and Paxton as producers. No shooting from straight behind and ahead in these films taken By people. Kph
     
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    Check the film above. Somehow a big mistake by me...
     
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    I saw a film called Parkland Memorial with Australian Jackie Weaver as Oswald's mother.

    It was fucking terrible. The worst representation of Oswald's mother imaginable.
     
  16. Bolshevik

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    If Lee Oswald was allowed to be put on trial we might have gotten the full story about this sordid affair.

    But silencing the most important person in the case was absolutely necessary so the government could close the case and whitewash all the bungling.

    The government certainly knows how to keep functioning despite ANY occurrence
     
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    But of course, if you believe one conspiracy theory you have to believe them all?

    Or be accused of the same?

    What a load of horseshit.
     
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    Ah yes.

    Perry Russo, the taxi driver who was given sodium pentathol.
    Wasn't he the man that identified Clay Bertrand as Clay Shaw?

    I don't have the book anymore' so you tell me.

    Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and make your own film highlighting the Lone Gunman.

    Make it an Oswald biographical and get your money back and then some as the American people flock to the cinema to hear the truth about the evil Lee Harvey Oswald depriving America of a popular president?

    From the sound of it you'll make a lot of money from WW2 Forum at least. So why not sink your life savings into the project and tell us all the truth for posterity?
     
  20. Bolshevik

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    Russo was in Garrisons book. You've just proven to me that you've never read it
     

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