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Discussion in 'The Guns Galore Section' started by Ome_Joop, Aug 16, 2005.

  1. Ome_Joop

    Ome_Joop New Member

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    What type of ammo is this?
    Is it aircraft ammo?[/img]
     
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    Any dimensions? Even something to get the right scale.
     
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    a guess

    at a guess perhaps british .303 in a fabric belt for a older MG. its a rimmed caseing with only a moderate taper which would describe the .303 and it looks like .303. the fabric belt shows it was meant for an older model MG [WWII or older]. are there any markings on the base? are all the bullets the same or are there different types loaded in a pattern, if so it would most likely be an aircraft loading. can you measure the rounds or do you just have the picture?
     
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    I only got 3 pictures...
     
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    The belt is on a plastic garden table (brand Jardin i think?!)

    last one...
     
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    Whose are they? Do they know they are still live?

    FNG
     
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    i agree with lynn1212 i think they r .303 they look exactly like the 1s i got at home
     
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    I'm not bullet expert but don't those look a little big for a .303? I want to say .50 cal but then again they don't look that big...
     
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    not a 50

    no way is it .50 caliber. the grooves on the table top are around 2" apart so we have some scale to work with. a 50 is 6"+ long, these are more like 4". besides a .50 BMG [ and all others i can think of] is rimless.
     
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    Rimmed cases. The cloth belt makes them for mg use. I'd say they're 7.62x54R (Rimmed Russian). Probably went to a Maxim.

    They could also be .303 Brit for a Vickers.

    .30 US (.30-06), .50MG, 6.5 Swedish and 7.92 (8mm Mauser) do not have rimmed case head so that eliminates those. Not sure about 6.5 & 7.7 Jap. or 6.5 & & 7.35 Carcano (Italian). Maybe 7.5 French?

    Can you see any matkings/stamps on them?
     
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    I'd go with 7.62x54R or 7.7x56R British but these are bottlenecked cases. From those pictures I get the idea that those cases are tapered without (substantial) shoulder.

    Edit: but on the other hand, I've seen similar belt before.
     
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    This does not look like a typical .303 belt as it lacks the brass studs which separate the rounds (you can see them in the above picture).

    The rounds could be .303 but it's hard to tell with the shoulder covered up by the belt. There were several other rimmed MG cartridges in service in various countries up to WW2.

    Tony Williams: Military gun and ammunition website and discussion forum
     
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    as far as i know there are no stamps on it...i'll have to check it out(atleast the owner has to do that:))!
    They are also a Dutch find...so i think that will exclude anything Russian...!
     
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    The Dutch had a unique 7.92x57R rimmed MG cartridge which looked very similar to the .303. It was in service between 1908 and 1940 and was variously known as the 'Patrone Scherp No. 23', '7.9 mm Patrone sS 294', '8 x 57R Dutch', and '7.92 mm Schwarzlose'. The last term tells you which gun it was mainly used in, but it also saw use in Maxim, Lewis and Vickers guns.

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    Thanks Tony!
     

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