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What if F.D. Roosevelt was killed in february 15, 1933?

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  1. efestos

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    FD Roosevelt scape a murder attempt in Florida, 15 F , 1993 . Joe Zangara a communist? construction worker shoot him , but failed ... killing the Major of Chicago.

    This is the start pointof the alternate history of "The man on the High Castle" . And well, What do you think?

    If this goof guy had been successful , Would that murder have dramatically changed history? Or other men would have just done the same policies of FDR?

    NO new deal? How would have ended the Great Depression if it did?

    In my short knowledge I recall the strong aislacionism of a good part of the USA congress ... War was not very popular.

    MORE. Churchill had a car accident in NY one +- year before, in December 1931... If these two men had died ... How would had that affected the WWII?

    I'm somewhat worried about it since started reading " The man in the High Castle" (not with the TV show ¿why not?) So I will appreciate everyone that say that nothing would have changed... Is it... or we are just lucky?
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member Patron   WW2|ORG Editor

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    The large part of the US public was isolationist until the Fall of France in 1940. After that the public attitude became less and less isolationist. By Dec. 7th, 1941, the American public was resigned to the fact that we'd have to fight the Axis sooner or later.
     
  3. efestos

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    Vice-president Gradner was far more conservative than FDR ... so there is not a New Deal , well, the neocons say that the new del in fact prolonged de Great Depression . I've no idea.

    And both Gradner and the GOP were fiercely isolationist ... the matter here is the lend and lease act ... and ...Without Churchill... would GB accept a deal with Hitler?
     
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    Did you read what I posted?
     
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    no--would not have changed history much--plain and simple
     
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    BTW, it was "John Vance Garner".
     
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    ..for a lot of ''what if'' questions, it takes more than just one or two major changes to make an impact
     
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    Major changes require major drivers to occur.
     
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    Various politicians and economists had many different ideas on how to get out of the Great Depression, FDR's New Deal was but one. Who is to say if the others would have been better or worse.

    As to conquering the US, that's not really in the cards. The outcome of the war would most likely be that in the novel Fatherland, with a Cold War between the US and Germany. Remember, while the isolationist were against war in Europe, the were very much for American defense.
     
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    hitler still would've been the same hitler/etc
     
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    Not all of them. The Committee to Defend America First was a coalition that included Quakers and other extreme pacifists.
     
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    No, not all of them, but the majority.
    One of their four core polices was the concentration of the United States on building a strong defense of it's hemisphere.
     
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    The coalition was constantly arguing about how far from our shores should be considered as a danger to us. The America Firsters never nailed that down. The Republican Party, however, was very strong on US defense, mentioning "defense" eleven times in their party platform for the 1940 presidential election.
     
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    Huey P. Long more than likely would have been elected president in 1936, if the scenario allowed for him to not be assassinated in 1935 of course.
     
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    He did get it backwards, didn't he.
     
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    I believe so, but things like that happen from time to time.
     
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    "Huey P. Long" . Uff ...As I just read, this man had the recipe for an economic disaster. An other one... May be the dystopia becomes possible.
     
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    Yeah but he was hugely popular with the common folks with his "every man a king" and the redistribution of wealth angle. The US was mired in the Great Depression at the time, and people listened to anyone who promised them a better life. And Huey was a populist by every definition of the word, and very good at what he did. FDR was very much concerned that the Kingfish (Huey's self given nickname) would give him a serious run for the 1936 nomination for the presidency. Huey probably would've had gotten the nomination had he not got himself assassinated at the state capitol building in Baton Rouge in 1935. Rumors have it that his bodyguards (La Highway Patrol, predecessors to the LSP) killed him while blasting to smithereens an assailant that slugged Huey with a right hook. Who knows.
     
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    John Nance Garner
     
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    I'm on drugs, how about you?
     

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