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Worst General in WW2

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  1. Kai-Petri

    Kai-Petri Kenraali

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    We did have this title back in 2003 and thought of bringing it back in life with the new members.

    Who do you think was the worst general(s) in WW2 on any side and why?
     
  2. 36thID

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    Very easy,

    General Mark Clark and General Geoffry Keys were absolutely THE WORST !! They had some of the most talented, bravest men that were fighting their first battles. These 2 (censored) bozos were worried about themselves. Keys slaughted sooo many brave soldiers on Clark's orders. Keys should have bucked Clark and gone directly to Alexander, but he fell for Clark's crap of keeping it within the US troops. Alexander should have been replaced for letting Clark get away with his actions.

    Military people should never forget the idiotic, egotistical mistakes of these 2 !! Too many brave warriors were wasted on these clowns.

    Best Regards,

    Steve
     
  3. clems

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    -general Huntziger
    -general boudienny
    -general clark
    -general fredendall
     
  4. mikebatzel

    mikebatzel Dreadnaught

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    I know, not a General but my vote goes to Hitler. He did more for the Allied effort than people generally know
     
  5. Hufflepuff

    Hufflepuff Semi-Frightening Mountain Goat

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    In my opinon, Goering. Absolute idiot. Not fit to command ANYTHING.
     
  6. 36thID

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    I agee, Goering, "I can supply Stalingrad by air."

    How does history judge General Paulus from Stalingrad ?

    Was he a visonary or turncoat, tactical incompetent or he did the best with the 2 morons, Hitler and Goering ?
     
  7. Mortman2004

    Mortman2004 Dishonorably Discharged

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    Oh I dunnno Benito Musolini wasnt the greatest... LOL
     
  8. Mortman2004

    Mortman2004 Dishonorably Discharged

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    No maybe musolini wasnt the worst But i am no Fan of OLD MONTY... he was to slow and his plans were oftentimes flawed... Also his arrogance without results was amazing
     
  9. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Good Ol' Boy Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    When y'all offer these opinions, provide insight as to why you choose who you did. Give a good argument.

    I see Lloyd Fredendall's name up there and yes, as the commander of the US II Corps in North Africa, he was a failure. As commander of the US 2nd Army, a training formation he seemed to prosper. I guess it is a matter of what you are cut out for.

    Good article on Lloyd Fredendall
     
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  10. TA152

    TA152 Ace

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    I have always disliked Vinegar Joe Stillwell of the China Burma theater. He did not get along with any of the other theater commanders and I don't think the Chinese leaders or his troops thought much of him either. In a very difficult theater of operations you need all the help you can get. You don't need some old fool set in his ways playing General.

    I have never cared for the types who are always by the book and into the chain of command way of doing things.
    If the chain of command actually worked it would be different but it usually does not get infomation to where it can be used.

    I think this is where Fredendall failed as a front line commander.
     
  11. PzJgr

    PzJgr Drill Instructor

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    Ditto. I was taking time giving it some thought and Goring came up. Every other General I could come up with was not the worst. But Goring takes the cake....plus the odd art piece. ;)
     
  12. skunk works

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    No particular order...

    Goering as was said for the Battle of Britain, and Stalingrad. What a Twit!

    Fredendall for Kasserine. What a Twink!

    Clark What a (anything rancid you care to name) for Rapido River and Cassino, Anzio, Rome all to make a bigger/biggest "News" splash for future Political ambitions.

    Monty I wont name. He advanced slowly, but he also retreated slowly.
    The mark of a professional Soldier....

    "Helter Skelter" needs to be off the menu. This is what the above mentioned are guilty of, be that defense or attack.
     
  13. redcoat

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    If you consider Monty the worst general of WW2, you really do need to study more.
     
  14. Devilsadvocate

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    You may dislike old "Vinegar Joe" Stilwell, but he was undoubtedly the most competent general in the entire CBI on any side. Stilwell's problem was, as General Marsahall acknowledged, that he had been given "one of the most difficult assignments of any theater commander." Stilwell may have given our allies in the theater short shrift, but that was because he had the quaint notion that everybody was there to fight the Japanese; neither the British nor the Chinese seemed to have much interest in that activity.

    Chiang Kai Shek was more interested in consolidating his political power and building up his military resources against the communists, than in fighting the Japanese, so Stilwell had legitimate grievances against Chiang.The British were happy to sit behind the defensive line defending India and could care less about stopping Japanese offensives in China or Burma; they were, essentially, waiting for the US and Australians to win the Pacific war. Practically everything that was accomplished in the CBI was due to Stilwell's activity.

    Stilwell was a thoroughly professional soldier and understood the Chinese better than probably any other career officer in the US Army. The Chinese troops who were trained by him and served under his command did very well in operations against the Japanese and were extremely loyal; his Chinese troops respectfully referred to him as "the old gentlemen". After being recalled from China as a political expediency, Stilwell continued to serve in a series of important senior commands and retained the confidence of Marshall and the JCS. It's true that Stilwell was no diplomat, but he was a fine general and military leader.

    See;

    Joseph Stilwell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Strange Bedfellows: Chiang and Stilwell

    "We Took a Hell of a Beating": General "Vinegar Joe" Stilwell in Burma | Infantry Magazine | Find Articles at BNET
     
  15. Mortman2004

    Mortman2004 Dishonorably Discharged

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    Ok Maybe Monty wasnt the worst But he sure as hell made a mess of market garden and his performance in sicily wasnt real steller... he was a decent A commander in the attck he was beter suited to the defense.... but he was still an arrogant jerk.. then again so was georgie patton
     
  16. redcoat

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    Wasn't the worst ??????

    He was one of the most successful Allied generals of WW2



    Indeed. It appears that some posters think that only American generals have the right to be arrogant jerks :rolleyes:
     
  17. Mortman2004

    Mortman2004 Dishonorably Discharged

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    OH i strongly diagree UMMM market garden and lets see... Oh how he handled the sicily show SLOW methodical and that cost lives
     
  18. wtid45

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    So what were the 14th FORGOTTEN(NO BLOODY WONDER:()army doing then you never heard of kohima or imphal .
     
  19. PzJgr

    PzJgr Drill Instructor

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    Come, come gentlemen. Our opinion was asked. Not facts. If someone thinks a particular General is the worst, then so be it. Lets not turn this into a p*****g match. lets respect each other's opinions even though we don't agree with them.
     
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  20. Devilsadvocate

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    Whatever they were doing, it sure wasn't prosecuting the war against the Japanese. Yes, I've heard of Kohima and Imphal; defensive battles fought in June, 1944, to save a part of the British empire (India) deemed to be important to it's continued existence. Until then the British plan was to sit on their duffs while the Japanese were defeated in the Pacific by the Australians and Americans. It wasn't until January, 1945, that the British got moving in any kind of serious offensive in southeast Asia. Even then Stilwell upstaged them by launching a successful offensive into northern Burma and simultaneously building the Stilwell Road to connect with the old Ledo Road, thereby reopening a land route to supply China, something the British claimed was impossible.

    The British claimed that difficult logistics and bad fighting terrain kept them from accomplishing anything, but it was, in fact, simply a matter of British priorities laying elsewhere. Stilwell, with a handful of American troops and a few American-trained Chinese divisions, accomplished more in a few months to defeat the Japanese than the British 14th. Army did in three and a half years.
     

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