WW2....Casualty figures presented in graphic form.

Might spark a discussion...or not.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/06/world-war-two-fatalities-visualized_n_7526390.html?fb_action_ids=10205408545386361&fb_action_types=og.likes

 

This is really good. Some people were wondering if the Soviet death figures were exaggerated, but the two WW2 historians I asked (one has published a book on the Soviet-German pact) said they were pretty accurate.

It's staggering to think of how many deaths that war caused.

 

And 3,5 million Red Army POW´s died of Starvation in German camps....

 

I found it a bit mesmerising as it was in motion constantly. Sure, just graphics but it begins to hit home when you watch and listen to the numbers and know they are human beings....

 

I'm not much on watching videos. My impression from the article was that it concentrated on Europe. If so they are missing 2 of the top 5 countries as far as WWII fatal casualties go.

 

I would highly suggest watching this one. It is not a typical video.

 

So you are saying you should've watched longer...

 

Well, perhaps. Did it go into casualties in the Pacific? Like I said the write up on that page seemed very focused on Europe. I've also seen the casualty figures on a number of sites. What makes this display especially note worthy?

 

It did calculate the Pacific Theater as well.

 

Thanks

 

I think it's noteworthy because of the way it's presented. It goes well beyond charts and graphs - it's visually appealing, as well.

As I've said, well worth a watch.

 

S'ok.
Posted on the 7th, in France Casualties.

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Posted 07 June 2015 - 06:13 PM
This might answer the question. And many more.
WW2 Fatalitiesgraphics. wow
http://io9.com/this-...tali-1709065880

It is a good graphic. The more who see it, the better.
Hope you are well, G.

 

Just watched it. Much better than expected. A couple of quibbles. They used the Eurocentric definition of the start of the war which left the question of just what casualties they were counting especially for Japan and China. There comment about US bombing of Japan was rather off the mark and misleading IMO. We've discussed it in detail before but the bombs were aimed at military targets with the knowledge that there would be considerable civilian casualties. I hadn't realized that there was such a drop in fatalities after the fall of the USSR though.

I usually prefer working with numbers directly and having the ability to look up what they actually represent. Videos usually don't even come up to the standards of charts or graphs IMO but this one did. Thanks for posting it and encouraging me to watch it.

 

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One quibble I have is the counting of "UK and colonies." Does that also mean the Commonwealth nations, or are they not counting Canadians, Ozzies, Kiwi's?

Aside from that, I found it surprising that the UK (and friends...) and US had almost double the casualties in the ETO than the Germans. That may be true - the usual casualty figure is 2:1 between offensive/defensive forces, but I find surprising nonetheless. The allies had control of the air to degrade German supply, far better and more numerous artillery (which cause most battle casualties) and far better logistical resources in the rear to save wounded soldiers.

Does anyone have any insight here? Did it really cost two allied soldiers for every German killed?

 

Well for overloard wiki at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Overlord
shows ~2:1 casualties but it's German:Allied.
Of course that is overall casualties and not fatalities but it doesn't seam to support the 1:2 fatality ratio.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Bulge
Shows almost a 1:1 ratio of casualties again overall not fatalities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dragoon
states ~2,000 killed, captured, or missing with 7K additional vs 7K killed for the Germans.

Looking at those three it brings it to question. 8th AF may be a factor though if those are all counted vs the allies but the LW losses are not counted as being in Western Europe which they often aren't it could make a difference.

 

Total RAF Losses from all Commands, presented in a Pie Chart.

 

Normandy Invasion: estimated battle casualties