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WWII Unit Insignia Lapel

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  1. RWW

    RWW New Member

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    When did soldiers receive their unit lapel pins? Did they receive them while in service, or is it something they receive upon discharge? Also, what determined the unit lapel you received? I'm assuming you could be moved around during your time of service, especially during war...
     
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    Tracking someone can be fun, we're good at it. The more you tell us the more we have to work with. Obviously don't share any sensitive information publicly, of course.
     
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    I don't believe they had unit lapel pins. They had lapel pins to indicate branch of service; i.e. infantry, armored, etc. Units were usually a patch that could be sewn on the sleeve. As you mentioned, they could be moved around, even to different branches. My father originally was in the Coast Artillery, moved to AAA, then to infantry. I don't know what lapel pin he wore, but he identified most with his infantry service. Most of the men he served with were the same men that were also in the Coast Artillery.
     
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    I think that the OP is asking about DUI's (Distinctive Unit Insignias) Worn on the lapels and later on the epaulets. Not all units had them. An example would be a 3rd Army soldier, Patch on right arm, First Division, patch on left arm as combat patch, 26th Infantry Division (Blue Spader DUI pin) on lapel. Hope this helps.
     
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  5. RWW

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    So the uniform does have a Patton's 3rd Army Patch on the left arm. The lapel on the collar and hat are from the Go For Broke lapel. I know he was in the 271st at Camp Shelby,
    I also have family letters showing return addresses from the following:
    Ft. Meade with the 20th BN 5th replacement.
    53rd Replacement
    195FA Group
    HQ Battery 195th F.A. Group
    HQ Battery 15th Artillery
    HQ Battery 977th F.A. Battalion
    HQ Battery 13th F.A. Brigade
    HQ Battery 195th Field Artillery Group (Per Honorable Discharge papers)

    This is most of my information, but it still leads me back to my original posted questions.

    Thanks
     
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    RichTO90 Well-Known Member

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    Hard to make sense from that? Do you have any dates?

    195th FA Group as of 1 June 1944 was assigned to Third Army and attached to XX Corps.
    15th Artillery? 15th FA Battalion was assigned to the 2d Infantry Division, First Army. 15th FA Brigade was redesignated as XIII Corps Artillery, which was Ninth Army. Or it could refer to XV Corps Artillery, which was Third Army until August 1944 when assigned to Seventh Army.
    977th FA Battalion served in North Africa, Sicily, and Italy, before landing in Southern France assigned to Seventh Army and attached to VI Corps.
    13th FA Brigade served in North Africa, Sicily, and Italy, before landing in Southern France assigned to Seventh Army.

    I suspect everything except the 195th FA Group were Stateside assignments and his wartime service with Third Army was with it, but without dates I cannot confirm that.
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Poke around here: https://history.army.mil/ When viewing books check the references and footnotes. A single reference can be golden. Or not.
     
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    Here are the dates that I have.
    Induction May 11, 1943 place of entry Fort Benjamin Harrison, Ind.
    Date of entry into active service May 1943
    January 1944 I have a letter that he was in Hattiesburg Mississippi

    January 8, 1944 – April 15th 1944 HQ Company 271st Reg Inf

    May 1, 1944 - Ft. Meade with the 20th BN 5th replacement.
    Sept 18, 1944 - 53rd Replacement
    July 13, 1945 - 195FA Group
    HQ Battery 195th F.A. Group
    Aug 29th – Oct 9th 1945 - HQ Battery 13th Field Artillery
    Nov 29th – Dec 1945 HQ Battery 977th F.A. Battalion
    No Date on Box - HQ Battery 13th F.A. Brigade
    HQ Battery 195th Field Artillery Group (Per Honorable Discharge papers)
     
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    The Shoulder Sleeve Insignia (SSI) is the correct designation for the cloth shoulder unit insignia, which originally date to World War II. Until the end of World War II, they were always worn on the left sleeve and could either be specific to divisions, corps, and armies (with some Branch insignia too such as the Antiaircraft Command "AA"). The regulations for wearing the SSI as a "combat patch", which is correctly the SSI-Former Wartime Service (SSI-FWS), dates to late in World War II when returning high-point casuals would informally wear their wartime SSI to denote their overseas service when they were assigned to another unit. The War Department recognized the practice 7 April 1945. Policy was modified again in 1951 to acknowledge Korean War service, then in 1965 for Vietnam, and the regulations have been modified over the years for later conflicts. The "combat lapel pin", which is correctly the "Combat Service Identification Badge" were enacted even later in 2012, so it would be rare for a World War II veteran to wear it (my Dad had one for the 90th Infantry Division he would occasionally wear as a lapel pin on his civilian jacket).
     
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    Okay, that makes more sense. He was inducted at Fort Benjamin Harrison, which was actual a Finance Replacement Training Center, then was transferred to Infantry, but then was sent overseas as a replacement. The 53d Replacement Battalion, 17th Replacement Depot, serviced Third Army, so at some time he was assigned to the 195th FA Group. However, he likely did not have enough points to return at the end of the war so stayed with Seventh Army units in the Army of Occupation until he returned to the Z/I for discharge. What is his discharge date?
     
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    I went to Benjamin Harrison to get paid while in transit "a few years ago".
     
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    Discharge date was Jan 13, 1946

    Sorry, but what does Z/I stand for?

    Thanks
     
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    "Zone of the Interior" IIRC. Back in the US.
     
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    Okay, yes, his time with the various Seventh Army units was all after VE Day with the Army of Occupation. I think you can assume that his wartime service was entirely with the HQ & HQ Btry, 195th FA Group, which was assigned to the Third Army and usually attached to the XX Corps. AFAICT the Group did not complete a postwar history, but there is a history of the XX Corps Artillery at the FA School Library, Fort Sill, History of the XX Corps Artillery, 21 October 1943 - 9 May 1945. (Miesbach, Bavaria, Buchdruckerei W.F. Mayr, 1945), which you might be able to access via interlibrary loan. There is also the Third Army After Action Report, which is available online as a pdf from various sites that will have some mentions of it, but otherwise you would need to go to the records in RG407 Entry 427 at NARA Archives II at College Park, Maryland for more.
     
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    Nevermind, turns out the XX Corps Artillery History is available online at XX Corps Go to Documents and scroll down.
     
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    I may be way off base but a lapel pin is more of an acknowledgment rather than a depiction of Duty. If that makes any sense. The 'Ruptured Duck' was a lapel pin signifying Honorable Service. Others are a means of showing you were a part. Basically a lapel pin could change with your Unit, Division, Squadron etc: I found a 'Torch' emblem "Go for broke" lapel referring to the 442 RCT Can you post a picture of the pin ?

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    I have a what I'd guess is a Unit lapel pin but I sure didn't earn it.
    My pin was given to me along with a Challenge Coin, and I was told I had Base privileges. I've been too insecure, embarrassed and felt far too inferior to consider driving up to the gate. But if I see someone of the H.H.C. 1-106 Aviation Battalion I snap them a Salute and make them wonder "Who the hell is That".
    So I've got that going for me.

    Stick with RichT090 and you can't go wrong.
     
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    Thanks to everyone who has posted the information. Its been very helpful and pointed me in a direction where I can continue my search.
     

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    Thanks again for the information. It looks to me like most of the information is pre May 45.
    Previously, I have had a researcher pull morning reports for HQ 195 FA Sept 44- May 45 with no luck. Do you have any recommendations on where I should try to restart my search? Possibly continue post May 1945?
    Also, do you have any recommendations regarding researchers that frequent College Park?

    Thanks
     

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