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Discussion in 'WWII Films & TV' started by Prospero Quevedo, Jan 14, 2022.

  1. Prospero Quevedo

    Prospero Quevedo Well-Known Member

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    i tend to watch a lot of YouTube tech vids, how it's made, wwii, etc. They had a guy calls his vids the dark files. Talked about an island that the Japanese had a large communication station there it was the central communications post for the whole area. The navy decided it was vital to destroy the station and surrounded it with carriers and bombed it for months with no success. The island repelled every attack and they just couldn't hit the towers. On another attempt a pilot diving down took a hit but the plane still dove true so he continued his attack and hit the target. One thing I hate about any history show is when they show the wrong plane or vehicle. The guy says the plane had a three man crew but the vid shows a daughtless that only has a two man crew. The plane hits the target they get one of the two towers and fly out to sea the pilot remembered being told to fly as far as you can away from the enemy before bailing out so under protests from his crew he told them to wait till he told them it was safe. The plane slowly got lower and lower soon if they didn't bail it would be too late so he told his men to bail and did so himself. He makes it to the surface in time to see his plane crash into the sea and made it to a raft and stared paddling back toward the island calling for his men unknown to him neither survived the cras one never made it out of the plane the other I think he said had a parachute failure. As he padded looking for his men he notice something moving near the island boats heading his way other damaged planes followed his lead but bailed out much sooner all the chutes attracted the Japanese who went after them. He turned and padded out to sea and paddled till he was completely exhausted he was luckily picked up by a sub. The Japanese had captured eight airmen. The beat and tortured them in revenge for the months of bombing that killed hundreds of their brother soldiers. When the island was finally taken at the wars end the navy found documentation of what happened to a few of the prisoners and at the war crimes trials the officer in command admitted to the murdering of the eight men, but they did not just torture and murder them but the commander then ordered his cook to cook them and he had all his officers and many of his men eat them they had some crazy cult belief that eating their flesh gave them powers or something. The navy kept all that classified and didn't tell the families the true nature of their lost soldiers deaths. But the documents became declassified and this guy found them or came across them and put it on his show. I hope they took that guy to New Guinea and let the natives have him. Then there's the story of a pilot in a parachute supposedly shooting down a zero with his 1911 colt. The guy was in his parachute and the zero makes a straffing pass at him and flies close as he passes he does it a few times each time passing closer finally the guy had enough and the last time the plane goes by he empties his pistol at the canopy. The plane goes down. His wing leader always wondered what happened to him and kept searching for what became of him and even search for any evidence or reports after the war. He found a report about an American pilot being sentenced to death for the murder of a Japanese officer it was his wing man it had details of the trial and such. Funny they could try him for murder when the officer was a dishonorable coward shooting at a guy in a parachute when he's in a plane. Then another one were a p51 pilot escorting bombers a few bombers had been shot down by fighters or flak and with ten to a plane there was chutes every where a German fighter was shooting all the guys in chutes the American fighter pilot decided he had to pay went after him and crippled the Germans plane so he had to bail then he gave the German his own medicine saying he didn't feel guilty at all he was going to show the Germans what happened when they do low down things like that. The guy became a squadron leader and triple ace by wars end. Anyway their lots of interesting and sometime questionable vids some better than others like the one that keep the continuity and have the right looking vehicles and aircraft. One of the history channels bidets things I hate their talking about a particular plane and they show three or four different aircraft clips. Or a tank maybe American so why the heck are they showing a British tank dolts.
     
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    There is no reason to believe anything on Youtube.
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Edit the above: There is no reason to believe anything on Youtube without solid support. Youtube is a giant popularity contest.
     
  4. Prospero Quevedo

    Prospero Quevedo Well-Known Member

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    So true, like movies I watch that is supposedly based on a true historic point or tech etc. I many times look it up on historical or tech sites and most of the time there true but many times the facts are not quite a hundred percent a lot of times things are exaggerated or made up completely. Was watching a documentary about war factories that before we got into the war we had little to no war industry. By 43 not only did most of our factories switch to the war effort but we built many new factories and at the start we barely produced a tenth of what the Germans made and it took them years to reach the production level they had within a year we were out producing them in every category by six to ten times. One of hitters failings he didn't standardize productions of many things. They put so much into tanks weapons and planes they didn't have a high production of transports, jeeps trucks so they use 2.5 million horses. A buddy of mine use to read about German losses and there was a monthly report on casualties, weapon and vehicle losses and horses they would lose hundreds to thousands of horses every month. Wonder how many horses became stew when we were cutting off supply lines and many German soldiers were starving. Like hey the Indians valued their horses but if it meant surviving to fight on horse stew was on. They were also saying that Kaiser saved the war effort by his approach to mass ship production. They would prefab most of the ship and bring the pieces to the ship yard and weld the thing together and build a ship that took usual a year or two in 100 to 130 days. They built over 6,000 iberty ships it said and only two ships are left as floating museums. Wow guess most finally got too old and went to scrap, they said after the war hundreds even thousands ended up in the civilian merchant marines. Our war time production was so high we were supplying the British, Australians, and the soviets Stalin did the same put so much into tank and plane production they didn't have enough jeeps and trucks, one third of soviet transports were American made. The war caused the USA to become the leading producer of synthetic rubber when Japan started there move thru the southeast the rubber trade was disrupted and we need huge supplies of rubber for the war industry. The government financed the building of 51 synthetic rubber plants at the cost of 700 million each and by the following year we were producing more rubber per month than we had the year before. Wonder if the tire plants we have now are what's left of that time period. Also the Germans would have done better if they had gone to a full war enconomy as soon as they had started the war but put it off till 42/43. The USA and British both went to a full war economy as soon as they had started into the war. They say part was hitler wanted to keep the morale of the people high to support his regime and that he believed he would get everything they needed by plundering the wealth of other countries which they did but fell far below what he had expected. The guy was really short sighted should have had more than one financial plan in case his primary didn't pan out. Like taxes German taxes were about half of what the Brits were taxed. I guess we should be glad the man was such a dolt and didn't plan well or that he didn't listen to his advisors that actually had good advice if he had the war might have lasted a lot longer. The Germans realized they needed to change and we're trying to match what America was doing but too late and far too little enough to catch up with us or other countries. He wasn't a total idiot mostly egotistic and arrogant self glorifying all the traits that made him refuse to see that he could be wrong.
     
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    Ever hear of paragraphs? Unreadable.
     
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    I reply and break it up when responding to long posts. It's a good way to not miss anything and I sometimes find that the poster had addressed the things I wanted to mention.
     
  7. Carronade

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    This sounds a bit like the events on Chichi Jima, chronicled in the book Flyboys by James Bradley. This included the cannibalization of captured Americans, mainly for the benefit of Japanese officers, which Bradley uncovered in his research. Then-Lieutenant George H. W. Bush was piloting an Avenger in one of the attacks, was hit, and tried to give his two crewmen time to bail out. However he was the only survivor, was picked up by a submarine, and remained on board for the rest of her patrol, including standing watches.

    When Bradley interviewed him in the White House sixty years later, Bush still teared up, wondering if he had done all he could to try to save his men.

    The cover of Flyboys does have a lovely photo of a Dauntless, but as you say it would not have been at Chichi Jima in 1945.

    May I also politely suggest that you try organizing your posts into paragraphs, each dealing with a particular topic? It makes it easier and a bit more comprehensible for the reader and helps make the point of each paragraph clear.
     
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    That is sad he was the commander of the plane and lots of commanders feel responsible for their men. After wars some former commanders committed suicide because they felt responsible for the deaths of their men if they did enough to save them did they make the right decisions. I believe that's one of the reasons my dad stayed a private first class. Told me the service can't force you to take promotion whenever they had the advancement exams they would tell him they were on and to go over and take the exam he'd go somewhere else. I asked him why and he said as a NCO he'd would have to order a guy to do something that would most likely get him killed and he didn't want to have to deal with that. I loved my dad so I had to respect him for his decision. I'm sure bush questions what he did but if they had bailed earlier like they others they most likely would have been captured tortured and suffered the same fate as those other men. Very sad, it's terrible what the Japanese did to so many American prisoners torture, murder. On another island as the Japanese were losing and some islands they were abandoning trying to consolidate on more vital islands the Japanese had some prisoners they took them down to the beach were they had cages near the water locked the men in them and left when the tide came in the cages became submerged and the men drowned. Many downed airmen captured in China or recovered from downed b29s were charged with trumped up war crimes and executed the Japanese were great in charging false crimes on things they themselves were doing in large scale like the total destruction of Chinese cities were they destroyed everything burning cities to the ground and killing every living thing even pets. I guess I should be grateful they didn't do as much in the phillipines or my family history would have ended though some of my family did suffer there. Many Filipinos really hated the Japanese after the war where they forced many to leave different parts of the phillipines. Also the separate war crimes trials in the phillipines saw the execution and imprisonment of far more Japanese than the Tokyo war crimes trials.
    Wow I didn't realize that was GW they vid never mentioned his name just his rank and position. Maybe the guy felt he didn't have the air rights to mention his name.
     

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