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  1. Stewie Griffin

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    Did it have any begative effects on Luftwaffe fighter planes ? I read about this subject long ago but, I forgot all about it:tommygun:
     
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    I have no idea about the fuel situation...

    But I recall reading that as far as synthetic engine oil and lubricants, the Wehrmacht discovered quite accidentally that their panzers would turnover easier, and in much lower temperatures on the Eastern Front..
     
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    The problems with synthetic fuel in avaition use was primarily one of obtainable octane. For the Germans this meant that the vast bulk of their avgas was 87 octane. Using tetraethyl lead and other additives they could boost this to about 93 octane. But, without petroleum it was very difficult to make 100+ octane fuels like the Allies were regularly using (130 octane was common by late war).
    What this translates to is about a 25 to 30% decrease in performance compared to using the higher (Allied) grade fuels. The Germans made up for this by heavy use of methanol-water mixes and nitrous oxide. The problem here was that both added weight and complexity to their aircraft that the Allies did not suffer a penality for. NO2 was also highly corrosive and shortened engine life for aircraft that used it.
    One oddity of the use of synthetic fuels was that German aircraft had a very pecuiliar odor about them as a result. This has been noted post war on more than one occasion during restoration of their WW 2 aircraft.
     
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    The Role of Synthetic Fuel
    In World War II Germany


    implications for today?
    Dr. Peter W. Becker​
    The United States is faced with an acute energy problem. Our dependence on imported petroleum, which accounts for half of the country’s consumption, has caused rising balance of payments deficits that weaken the dollar and contribute to inflation. More worrisome in the long run for the future of this country is the realization that eventually most oil deposits, both foreign and domestic, will be depleted. This grim specter is accompanied by a lack of control over foreign supplies, leaving us dependent on the goodwill and mercy of the oil-producing states.
    There are, of course, other sources from which energy can be derived, sources such as nuclear fission, nuclear fusion, solar and thermal power, and the like. But for the foreseeable future they either present many environmental threats or are not yet sufficiently developed to replace our dependence on foreign oil supplies. A sensible energy policy for the time being no doubt would rely on many different sources of energy until a more efficient, effective, and safe method has emerged. Such an approach will include the production of synthetic fuel derived from coal. This method was first effectively used by the Germans during World War II, so an examination of Germany’s situation at that time could be instructive.
    As a highly developed industrial state, Germany was dependent even in peacetime on external sources for an adequate supply of oil. Even though Germany’s 1938 oil consumption of little more than 44 million barrels was considerably less than Great Britain’s 76 million barrels, Russia’s 183 million barrels, and the one billion barrels used by the United States, in wartime Germany’s needs for an adequate supply of liquid fuel would be absolutely essential for successful military operations on the ground and, even more so, in the air.1 For Germany, it was precisely the outbreak of the war in 1939 and the concurrent termination of overseas imports that most endangered its ability to conduct mobile warfare.
    German oil supplies came from three different sources: imports of crude and finished petroleum products from abroad, production by domestic oil fields, and syntheses of petroleum products from coal.
    In 1938, of the total consumption of 44 million barrels, imports from overseas accounted for 28 million barrels or roughly 60 percent of the total supply. An additional 3.8 million barrels were imported overland from European sources (2.8 million barrels came from Romania alone), and another 3.8 million barrels were derived from domestic oil production. The remainder of the total, 9 million barrels, were produced synthetically. Although the total overseas imports were even higher in 1939 before the onset of the blockade in September (33 million barrels), this high proportion of overseas imports only indicated how precarious the fuel situation would become should Germany be cut off from them.2
    At the outbreak of the war, Germany’s stockpiles of fuel consisted of a total of 15 million barrels. The campaigns in Norway, Holland, Belgium, and France added another 5 million barrels in booty, and imports from the Soviet Union accounted for 4 million barrels in 1940 and 1.6 million barrels in the first half of 1941. Yet a High Command study in May of 1941 noted that with monthly military requirements for 7.25 million barrels and imports and home production of only 5.35 million barrels, German stocks would be exhausted by August 1941. The 26 percent shortfall could only be made up with petroleum from Russia. The need to provide the lacking 1.9 million barrels per month and the urgency to gain possession of the Russian oil fields in the Caucasus mountains, together with Ukrainian grain and Donets coal, were thus prime elements in the German decision to invade the Soviet Union in June 1941.3
    The smallest of the Russian oil fields at Maikop was captured in August 1942, and it was expected that the two remaining fields and refineries in Grozny and Baku also would fall into German hands. Had the German forces been able to capture these fields and hold them, Germany’s petroleum worries would have been over. Prior to the Russian campaign, Maikop produced 19 million barrels annually, Grozny 32 million barrels, and Baku 170 million barrels.4
    Grozny and Baku, however, were never captured, and only Maikop yielded to German exploitation. As was the case in all areas of Russian production, the retreating forces had done a thorough job of destroying or dismantling the usable installations; consequently, the Germans had to start from scratch. In view of past experience with this type of Russian policy, such destruction was expected, and Field Marshal Hermann Göring’s staff had begun making the necessary preparations in advance. But a shortage of transport that was competing with military requirements, a shortage of drill equipment as well as drillers, and the absence of refining capacity at Maikop created such difficulties that when the German forces were compelled to withdraw from Maikop in January 1943 in order to avoid being cut off after the fall of Stalingrad, Germany had failed to obtain a single drop of Caucasian oil. Nevertheless, the Germans were able to extract about 4.7 million barrels from the Soviet Union, a quantity that they would have received anyway under the provisions of the friendship treaty of 1939.5
    Even before the Russian prospects had come to naught, Romania had developed into Germany’s chief overland supplier of oil. From 2.8 million barrels in 1938, Romania’s exports to Germany increased to 13 million barrels by 1941,6 a level that was essentially maintained through 1942 and 1943.7 Although the exports were almost half of Romania’s total production, they were considerably less than the Germans expected. One reason for the shortfall was that the Romanian fields were being depleted. There were other reasons as well why the Romanians failed to increase their shipments. Foremost among these was Germany’s inability to make all of its promised deliveries of coal and other products to Romania. Furthermore, although Romania was allied with Germany, the Romanians wished to husband their country’s most valuable resources.8 Finally, the air raids on the Ploesti oil fields and refineries in August 1943 destroyed 50 percent of the Romanian refinery capacity. Aerial mining of the Danube River constituted an additional serious transportation impediment. Even so, Romanian deliveries amounted to 7 million barrels in the first half of 1944 and were not halted until additional raids on Ploesti had been flown in the late spring and summer of 1944.9
    Even with the addition of the Romanian deliveries, overland oil imports after 1939 could not make up for the loss of overseas shipments. In order to become less dependent on outside sources, the Germans undertook a sizable expansion program of their own meager domestic oil pumping. Before the annexation of Austria in 1938, oil fields in Germany were concentrated in northwestern Germany. After 1938, the Austrian oil fields were available also, and the expansion of crude oil output was chiefly effected there. Primarily as a result of this expansion, Germany’s domestic output of crude oil increased from approximately 3.8 million barrels in 1938 to almost 12 million barrels in 1944.10 Yet the production of domestic crude oil never equaled in any way the levels attained by Germany’s other major supplier of oil, the synthetic fuel plants.
    Inasmuch as natural oil deposits in Germany were so few, long before the war efforts had been made to discover synthetic methods of producing gasoline and oil. In view of the country’s wealth of coal, it was logical to look in this direction for a solution. Both coal and petroleum are mixtures of hydrocarbons, and the problem was how best and most efficiently to isolate these elements from the coal and transmute them into oil. By the time Hitler became chancellor in 1933, four methods of achieving this were either available or in early stages of perfection.
    The first process produced benzol, a byproduct of coking. Benzol was used as a fuel in admixture with gasoline. The drawback to increased production of benzol was the fact that it was tied to the quantities of coke that were needed at any given time, and these in turn were determined by the production limits of crude iron.
    The second method produced a distillate from lignite coal. Brown or soft coal was gently heated, and the tars and oil were then extracted and distilled into fuel. The end product was of such low quality, however, that only 10 percent could be used as gasoline, with the remaining 90 percent useful only as heating oil and diesel fuel.
    A third formula, the Fischer-Tropsch process, was, at that time, still in the research and testing stage. Under this system, coal is compressed into gas which is mixed with hydrogen. By placing this mixture in contact ovens and adding certain catalysts, oil molecules are formed. Further treatment of this primary substance generates fuel, chiefly diesel oil.
    Coking and distillation extracted oils and tars from coal, and additional cracking refined them into gasoline. The Fischer-Tropsch process and a fourth method, the hydrogenation process, changed coal directly into gasoline. As coal is a hydrocarbon containing little hydrogen and gasoline is a hydrocarbon with a high hydrogen content, the problem consisted of attaching hydrogen molecules to coal, thereby liquefying it. This was the basis of the hydrogenation process, which required high temperatures and high pressures. By 1933, this method had been thoroughly tested and was ready for large-scale practical application. The advantage of the hydrogenation method was that as primary material it could use the tars from the distillation of both lignite and bituminous coal (although the distillation of the latter was not possible on a large scale until 1943) as well as lignite and bituminous coal directly.11
    When the Germans in the 1920s first began considering other sources of fuel, they did so for three reasons. First, the blockade during World War I had taught them how dependent they were on imports of a myriad of essential raw materials and how vulnerable this dependence made them. Second, because of the lost war and the ensuing economic difficulties, Germany was short of hard foreign exchange required for the purchase of foreign oil. And third, rumors were rampant in the world that proven reserves were about to run out. This last worry disappeared with new finds, but the second motive in particular, shortage of foreign exchange, remained and grew under Hitler. It was also Hitler’s determination to make Germany independent from outside sources.12 Furthermore, Germany’s leadership increasingly was concerned with the requirements of a war economy, and after 1938 these concerns occupied a substantial position. Prior to this time, five hydrogenation plants had been constructed, one of which was based on bituminous coal treatment. This plant, Scholven, was located in the Ruhr area; the other four plants at Leuna, Böhlen, Magdeburg, and Zeitz were located in central Germany, adjacent to lignite deposits. The total output of the plants in 1937 was 4.8 million barrels of various grades of petroleum fuels.13
    In October 1936, the first of several plans for increased oil production was formulated. It envisioned a production of 36 million barrels of petroleum fuels by October 1938.14 The plan was twice revised, in May and again in December 1937, but the changes did not involve an increase in projected production. They were concerned chiefly with changes in the output mix, allowing for a hefty quantity of aviation fuel, with other types of fuel being reduced.15
    To accommodate this increased production, the plants at Scholven and Zeitzwere to be expanded, and four new hydrogenation plants were to be erected at Gelsenkirchen, Welheim, and Wesseling in the Ruhr and at Pölitz near Stettin on the Baltic Sea. The scheduled construction time for these projects was 18 months, a goal that turned out to be rather unrealistic. Even more unrealistic were the completion dates assigned to twelve Fischer-Tropsch plants with relatively low production goals; they were to be finished by 1 April 1938. By 1945 only nine of them were operational; they reached their maximum capacity in 1943 with less than 2.8 million barrels.16
    Production goals were altered again in the summer of 1938 when Göring set up a new program whose completion was to coincide with the completion of rearmament in 1942-43, in keeping with the plans revealed by Hitler in his November 1937 conference. Greater armaments required larger amounts of fuel, and the so-called Revised Economic Production Plan of 1938 reflected the new needs. Göring called for the production in 1942-43 of almost 88 million barrels of various types of fuels and lubricants. But it was not long before it was realized that a program of such dimensions would require construction steel quantities that simply were not available in an already straitened economy. After several further revisions, the final one of January 1939 called for a production in 1943 of 68 million barrels. The quantities for all fuels were reduced except aviation gasoline, which was to be produced at 100 percent of the amounts provided in Göring’s plan of 1938.17
    It was aviation gasoline that played the crucial role in the hydrogenation plant construction program. By the early 1930s, automobile gasoline had an octane reading of 40 and aviation gasoline of 75-80. Aviation gasoline with such high octane numbers could only be refined through a process of distillation of high-grade petroleum. Germany’s domestic oil was not of this quality. Only the lead additive tetraethyl could raise the octane to a maximum of 87. The license for the production of this additive was acquired in 1935 from the American holder of the patents, but without high-grade oil even this additive was not very effective.
    Hydrogenation promised a way out. It allowed a gasoline with an octane reading of 60 to 72, and thus high antiknock properties, to be manufactured. With the aid of lead tetraethyl, the octane reading could be raised to 87. High octane gasoline was important, as its antiknock characteristics determined the compression ratio of an engine that used the fuel, and the compression ratio in turn determined the engine’s power.18
    A breakthrough in gasoline production occurred in the United States in 1935 when it became technically possible to produce isooctane with a reading of 100 in large quantities. By 1939, both the American and English air forces had begun to use the improved gasoline, and their planes could then be equipped with correspondingly stronger engines. In Germany, also, a method had been discovered to manufacture such a high-test gasoline, but the process was much more complex, cumbersome, and expensive than the American method, which used different primary materials. Due to these difficulties in production, the Luftwaffe until the end of 1938 neglected to insist on the production of high-octane fuel. For this reason until 1945 the German Air Force had no fuel equal to that available in the English-speaking countries.19
    How important the new aviation fuel was is demonstrated by the improved performance it made possible: 15 percent higher speed, a 1500-mile longer range for bombers, and an increased altitude of 10,000 feet. Göring attempted to make amends for the past neglect at the end of 1938 when he demanded that the 19 million barrels of aviation fuel included in the Revised Economic Production Plan be manufactured as high-test gasoline equivalent to the quality of isooctane.20
    As it was, only two small test plants were in operation when the war broke out in 1939 with a total production of 63,000 barrels per year. The shortage of both steel and manpower had delayed the completion of the full construction program of hydrogenation plants. At the beginning of the war, seven plants were in operation, three were in advanced stages of construction, and two others were barely begun. With the exception of four plants for the production of high-octane aviation fuel, no other plants were established after September 1939.21
    Even the completion of the plants under construction was not pushed as much as might have been possible. The delay resulted from the competition for essential raw materials, many of which needed to be channeled directly into armaments, and the optimistic forecasts by the High Command. With respect to the first reason, Germany’s armaments blanket was simply too thin when the war broke out and instead of broadening Germany’s armaments base it became necessary to supply the existing plants so that they could produce arms at an optimal rate.22 The second reason was based on Germany’s initial successes in the war. Estimated requirements for warfare proved to be highly inflated, and the booty acquired from the conquered countries caused stockpiles to be accumulated which, barring unforeseen circumstances, were regarded by the Armed Forces Economic Office as satisfactory through 1941.23 But the operations in Soviet Russia in 1941 and 1942 reduced stockpiles radically, and after the summer of 1942 the German armed forces and the German economy had to draw almost solely from direct production.24
    When it was suggested that one of the meetings of the Central Planning Board be devoted to the fuel situation, Albert Speer cut the discussion short by stating: "We need only a very limited briefing. We know how bad the situation is."25 In fact, Speer was partially responsible for the grave fuel situation; soon after his appointment in February 1942 he had curtailed the overall construction program, including that of the hydrogenation plants. It seemed to him that because of the raw material shortages it was not practical to build plants that would be in operation only several years hence. Immediate needs had priority. Only toward the end of 1943 was an effort made once more to force the expansion of hydrogenation plants.26
    Still, between 1938 and 1943, synthetic fuel output underwent a respectable growth from 10 million barrels to 36 million. The percentage of synthetic fuels compared to the yield from all sources grew from 22 percent to more than 50 percent by 1943. The total oil supplies available from all sources for the same period rose from 45 million barrels in 1938 to 71 million barrels in 1943.27
    In spite of shortages and other difficulties, production and supply, although never reaching the amounts contemplated by Göring, presented no serious problems until the spring of 1944.28 This was accomplished by giving no claimant, including the armed forces, all of the fuel that he needed. A good example is the ruthless reduction in the allocation for civilian passenger cars. The only people permitted to operate a motor vehicle were doctors, midwives, policemen, and high government and party officials. Their total allocation was only 450,000 barrels per year. German agriculture was allotted 1.7 million barrels of fuel per year for 1941 and 1942. The farmers actually required more fuel in 1942 than in 1941 because so many horses had been requisitioned for the armed forces that it was necessary to operate more tractors.
    In the spring of 1942, the Agency for Generators was established to effectuate the conversion of vehicles from liquid to solid fuels.29 A conversion to such fuels as wood chips, anthracite coal, lignite coal, coke, gas, and peat moss was expected to yield substantial savings in gasoline. During 1942, the saving amounted to 5 million barrels, and in 1943 it reached 8.2 million barrels.30 Thousands of cars and trucks were converted and equipped with devices shaped like water heaters, which graced trunks and truck beds.
    Yet however great the savings were, they were insufficient in themselves to alter the perennial fuel shortage. In the autumn of 1942 there appeared to be only two ways in which fuel production could be enlarged. One was to secure the Russian oil fields, but as we have seen that expectation quickly evaporated; the other was to increase the number and output of hydrogenation plants. Such a plan was devised late in 1942, projecting an annual production of synthetic fuel of 60 million barrels by 1946.31 Yet when the effort was finally made toward the end of 1943, it was decidedly too late for any improvements. The onset of Allied air attacks on the hydrogenation plants in May 1944 foiled all expectations and sounded the death knell For the German war machine.
    The first massive raid was flown on 12 May 1944 and directed against five plants. Other raids followed successively and continued into the spring of 1945. The severity of the raids was immediately recognized by the Germans. Between 30 June 1944 and 19 January 1945, Albert Speer directed five memoranda to Hitler which left no doubt about the increasingly serious situation. Speer pointed out that the attacks in May and June had reduced the output of aviation fuel by 90 percent. It would require six to eight weeks to make minimal repairs to resume production, but unless the refineries were protected by all possible means, coverage of the most urgent requirements of the armed forces could no longer be assured. An unbridgeable gap would be opened that must perforce have tragic consequences.32 Continued attacks also negatively influenced the output of automotive gasoline, diesel fuel, Buna, and methanol, the last an essential ingredient in the production of powder and explosives. If, Speer warned, the attacks were sustained, production would sink further, the last remaining reserve stocks would be consumed, and the essential materials for the prosecution of a modern technological war would be lacking in the most important areas.33

    In his final report, Speer noted that the undisturbed repair and operation of the plants were essential prerequisites for further supply, but the experience of recent months had shown that this was impossible under existing conditions.34 Behind Speer’s warnings was his awareness that once production of fuels was substantially curtailed, once reserves and the fuel in the distribution system were depleted, the Germans would be finished and the end could be predicted with almost mathematical accuracy.35 In a way, Speer was merely echoing the prophetic utterance of Field Marshal Erhard Milch from the summer of 1943: The hydrogenation plants are our most vulnerable spots; with them stands and falls our entire ability to wage war. Not only will planes no longer fly, but tanks and submarines also will stop running if the hydrogenation plants should actually be attacked.36
    A perfect example of this was the amount of aviation fuel allotted to the training of pilots. Toward the last nine months of the war, they were sent into combat with only one-third of the training hours actually required.37
    What was left of the hydrogenation plants after the war barely survived for a few more years, if only for the mundane purpose of refining imported crude oil. By 1964, the oil boom in full swing, the plants ceased to be competitive. The technological lead once enjoyed by Germany was assumed by South Africa. Determined not to be at the mercy of unfriendly oil-producing states, the South African government decided to rely on conversion of coal to gasoline. In April 1980 the Republic of South Africa began to operate the second of three Fischer-Tropsch plants. The Role of Synthetic Fuel In World War II Germany
     
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    At last one article I knew about. Your Google-fu runs strong, Herr Falkenberg :)

    Secret addenda to Hitler's Directive no. 21 - "Count your chicks before you hatch them".

    See? Hitler liked to play at Whatifs too!

    There goes your Barbarossa justification down the drain!

    Which makes the whole thing even more laughable.
     
  6. JCFalkenbergIII

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    LOL Thanks. Its amazing what I have found and saved over the years :eek:
     
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    one thing bothering me for a while now is, why was German never used diesel engine on a large scale(land vessels)? Diesel is relatively cheaper to produce from crude and or synthesize, higher energy efficiency, not to mention most oil cache/refineries German end up capturing from allies(especially Soviet) were diesel, which couldn't be used by panzers.

    anyone care to elaborate?

    thanks
     
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    one more thing, since German wasn't able to/or unpractical to obtain high octane gas, their engine of similar output consistently under performs comparing to allies(87 Octane is usually as good as German gets, while allies normally get 100 octane or more from high quality American crude; considering every 3% increase in octane rating is roughly equals to 4% increase in peak performance, the difference is significant) Converting to diesel engine, would breach this gap to at least some extend.
     
  9. Miguel B.

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    Late war the germans were experimenting refining methods of improving their fuels but allied bombing campaigns took their toll and four of the Hidrogenisation (sp?)
    plants went Kapput...


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  10. brndirt1

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    a number of moderating factors concerning using diesel for land units. One of the (but not only) limiting factors in heavy vehicles is not the engine itself but the power transmission system. A clutch and manual transmission in a heavy vehicle is very, very inefficient. The US post war helped this problem by going to faster, smoother shifting automatic transmissions. Dr. Porsche during the war (and many other engineers concurrently and since) went for a electric drive system. This is currently widely used in very heavy mining vehicles like 100 to 500 ton mining dump trucks, and when you think about it is an adaptation of the diesel electric systems used by the railroads pre and post WW2.

    Here is my two-cents worth; Start out using this great article on the German fuel problems of WW2, including sort of a primer on both the Fischer-Tropsch and Bergius processes of synthetic fuel production of the time. It also explains pretty fully how the Nazis attempted to ameliorate their need for petroleum from wells, and their dependence on imported fuels.

    http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1981/jul-aug/becker.htm

    This article also posted by "JC…" explains (pretty well) the different qualities and types of fuels produced, such as wood and bio-mass converters on some late-war training tanks, trucks, and buses. Potato alcohol in others (also the V-2s), and the low grade gasoline in the V-1 "pulse jets".

    About the only part of the problem I do not see addressed here is the need for controlled cetane levels in the diesel fuels produced (that is the diesel equivalent to octane in gasoline).

    Please keep in mind that these next few paragraphs are just my own suppositions of course. I would think that these processes limited them to producing diesel suitable more to either extremely large engines or extremely small ones, running at very low rpms, i.e. submarines and powering small electrical generating plants and such. Not too applicable to engines for motor vehicles or AFVs of the time actually without access to major bauxite supply. The thermal cracking method of separating hydrocarbon fuels of the time may not have been cross-applicable to the sythetic fuels (I don’t know, another guess). Or it may have been so cost inefficient that it would have been stupid to even consider it in a fuel poor economy.

    Putting diesel engines in tanks may have not only complicated the fuel supply logistics, it may also have been impractical as to power produced. While building transmissions and clutches to "harness the torque" is less of a problem (can be done) the straight cut rather than helical cut gears in German AFVs were a major weak point in their larger units and constantly broke down/striped out with even the less torquey gasoline engines. Another thing to keep in mind here, the Soviet diesel engines in their T-34 had an aluminum block which the Soviet’s produced from native bauxite (another raw material the Nazis had limited access to and needed for aircraft), this minimized the weight of the engine for the Soviets. With iron sleeves for the pistons to run in, and iron heads to hold the compression of the diesel to explosion pressure.

    These Soviet diesels were wonderfully simple and yet reliable 500 hp, V-12 engines with gear driven fuel injection, but (I believe) normally aspirated i.e. non-supercharged. A pure iron and steel engine of the same weight and external dimensions, running on low cetane fuel, would be hard pressed to create 200 hp without supercharging, and the Nazis had other uses for their engine air-volume boosters (both exhaust turbo and gear driven), in the Luftwaffe.

    Once again my URL didn't automatically change to a form which could be accessed. Don't know enough about this site format to change it if it doesn't do it auto. Sorry.
     
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    After reading through this thread I have to ask the question: What is holding us back from coal to gasoline conversion? Is it economic or environmental concerns? Is the coal we have the wrong type of coal for conversion?

    We are 60 years removed from Nazi Germany converting coal to gasoline. Technology has advanced substantially since then. The US has a large quantity of coal. If they could get 87 octane fuel without lead additives that long ago it would seem on the surface that we should be able to do so as well, so what am I missing?
     
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    One reason alone: Because making synthetic fuel is more expensive than drilling a well, pumping and refining oil is.
     
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    I'll try since I think it is a combination of both economic and environmental concerns, as the old processes are hugely expensive, and require massive inputs of fresh (not salt) water, and electricity as well. :eek:

    In the late twenties early thirties era, IG Farben’s patented Bergius process combines heated hydrogen under 3000-5000 psi pressure with coal to produce an oil. The synthesis requires about 7000 cu. ft. hydrogen per barrel of oil it produces, plus another 1500 cu. ft. of hydrogen per 1000 cu. ft. of syn-fuel it produces. The Bergius process has always been justly criticized by ecologists and economists for over its entire existence, especially the last forty years. It is ironic that the major source of chemical/industrial hydrogen is natural gas. In terms of industrial chemical requirements and economics, natural gas served this need well in the past. But where hydrogen is considered as a means of conserving fossil fuels or producing synfuel, a much less costly and more abundant source must be sought for the process to be viable today. And not use another energy source to produce the hydrogen, or if we produce the hydrogen simply use it as an energy source.

    The conversion process remains impossibly expensive, impractical, and dangerous, consumes a lot of fresh water, and its waste products always posed a grave threat to the people producing it and the environment in which they do the work. Even today with improved methods of production, for the Bergius method to be competitive with natural, low-grade "sour" crude oil at the well-head has to be in the over $70.00 a barrel range. When Arabian and North Sea Brent "sweet" oils were selling for $140 + per barrel in 2008, West-Texas "sour" grade was hovering (I think) around $80. Only marginally more expensive than the syn-fuel production cost, and much less environmentally intrusive.

    Posters more knowledgeable can correct me if I am missing it here, but this appears to be how to produce a "fuel" using the Bergius process:

    First: capture hydrogen from coal with water-gas reaction or using a partial oxidation of natural gas to get the hydrogen.

    Second: Grind lignite coal to the fineness of dust. Mix dust in heavy oil (left-over from process; see below) at a 50/50 mixture.

    Third: Add a little fine ground iron oxide (rust) or a nickel catalyst in the coal/oil mix. Germany generally had to import its high grade nickel. The coal dust/oil mixture is then pumped to reactor where it is heated. The first reaction occurs when the mixture is heated to about 752°F (400°C) and a 3000-5000 psi pressure hydrogen is added into reactor. This reaction produces mainly heavy oils (to be recycled/mixed with the new incoming ground coal).

    Fourth: the lighter oils are finally produced in the final gas phase using a vanadium catalyst, with the second hydrogen injection in a second reactor at same pressure and temperature as the first reactor, This will produce a lighter oil, and it is from these light oils the various distillations of gasoline, etc. proceed.

    Now while the gasoline produced is of extremely low quality and low octane it must be remembered that during the thirties the American Ethyl Gasoline Company (jointly owned by Standard Oil and General Motors), was instrumental in supplying the tetra-ethyl lead research assistance to Nazi Germany with what must have been the clear knowledge that the tetra-ethyl lead was for Nazi military purposes. Most passenger car fuels didn’t need "lead" supplements for high octane at the time. The Germans simply expanded tetra-ethyl lead production and added it to their low quality syn-fuel to increase the octane nearer to high quality avgas levels. Americans were told that the tetra-ethyl lead additive was a "top secret", but that was false. It was specifically mentioned by Ambassador Dodd in one of his letters to FDR when the Nazis first came to power.

    Back to the problem with using the vanadium as a catalyst. That is because it (even when found in lower levels of other mineral deposits) is used extensively to make alloys (mostly steel alloys) for tools and construction purposes. So most of the vanadium found is consumed for these applications, even today. Specifically, vanadium is alloyed with iron to make carbon steel, high-strength low-alloy steel, full alloy steel, and tool steel. The hard, strong ferro-vanadium alloys were also used to make armor plating for military vehicles. I wonder where the Nazis would send any vanadium they had or found? As a catalyst for fuel hydrogenation or for armor plate production?

    On the other side of the coin is the Fischer-Tropsch process of synthetic fuels, but it really doesn’t fill the bill either as I read it. That is because at the level of WW2 time-frame it generally produces a low grade oil which has to be processed again to give even a low grade diesel fuel while consuming coal, carbon dioxide, and methane/hydrogen to produce the synthetics. And rather than going from solid coals into a liquid as in the Bergius process, the Fischer-Tropsch method first transformed low grade coal into a gas, then chemically rearranged the gaseous molecules into liquid fuels and chemicals. Both pretty inefficient to my mind considering the resources available to the Axis nations in that time-frame. However if those are your alternatives (some rather than none), perhaps it is more understandable after a fashion.

    When South Africa was being boycotted/embargoed, they relied almost entirely on the Fischer-Tropsch process for their oils and syn-fuel. But some expensive alternative is always better than no natural petroleum at all, both for they and Nazi Germany. The low temperature carbonization of the 19th century should be looked at with new technology applications. Remember coal oil? When the petroleum oils came on the market the destroyed they coal oil/coal gas industry.

    There were about 40 or 50 coal oil conversion plants in the Boston area alone when petroleum was pumped out of the ground in Pennsylvania's Drake strike. And that made coal oil too expensive to make and within two years all of the plants were closed.
     
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    Clint thank you for all the info!

    A well earned salute for the research!
     
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    T. A. Gardner Genuine Chief

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    I won't repeat what's already available. For those wanting more information I suggest this web site:

    Fischer-Tropsch Archive

    Going through their primary documents is worth the time.
     
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    I guess when it really comes down to it is Profit and the cost to produce it. Heaven forbid we would have a cheaper and more easily accessible fuel. :rolleyes:
     
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    And then sometimes when things look "promising", they hide problems themselves. One megawatt of wind power provides enough electricity for 240 to 300 average homes.

    At 135 megawatts, the set-up at Judith Gap is the only major wind-power project extant in Montana.

    NorthWestern (our power supplier after the deregulation of Montana Power) is paying about $30 per megawatt-hour for electricity purchased from the Judith Gap wind farm, which began operating in 2006. Other costs associated with the power increase the bill to about $38 per mwh, but those costs are projected to increase this year, NorthWestern officials have said. This is because the energy flow is intermittent, and must be put "on the grid" in regulated series.

    The cost is considerably less than the $56 per mwh that NorthWestern is charging customers for its "portfolio" power, which is electricity from a variety of sources, purchased on the market, but a "surcharge" must be added to the actual cost to defray the inconvenience of non-constant supply from the wind farm.

    The Judith Gap wind farm is causing headaches on the grid. That is because the clean, green power from the Judith Gap Wind Farm that debuted in 2006 has been more intermittent than anticipated. And that is causing problems for NorthWestern Energy, the utility that must balance supply and demand on its transmission lines.

    "It’s more variable initially than we anticipated." said David Gates, vice president of wholesale operations.

    Joel Schroeder worked as project manager for Invenergy Wind LLC’s Judith Gap project, the largest of the company’s four wind farms. When reached at company headquarters in Chicago, Schroeder said wind is by nature intermittent.

    "If you have a storm move in and the wind picks up, that will boost production, or if you have the opposite and the wind drops out, you’ll lose power," Schroeder said. "It’s completely dependent upon the wind."

    Everyone knows wind power is variable and that other backup power from coal or hydro or natural gas is needed to fill in the calm times. "The wind’s blowing and in that hour, the output goes from 20 MW (megawatts) to 80 MW," he said. "The average is 50 MW, but as control operator we have to manage that move from 20 to 80 MW (on the transmission lines)." This is why there is a problem, i.e. power balancing

    A utility can store water behind a dam, or stockpile coal, or just use more natural gas. But you cannot store the wind, and that fact creates lots of challenges for delivering power and pricing wind power. Another of those unforeseen consequences of a project, no matter how well intentioned.

    Back in the seventies we had some "experimental" wind turbines put up over at Livingston MT., a place which has some outrageous wind on occasion. They (the company doing the experiment) put up four different styles of turbine and tower. Within four years all had been blown over, and collapsed without producing any power at all. They sat there doing nothing, then when the wind hit the towers and such just fell down and went "boom" from the power. Millions of bucks lost, one thing learned. Don't build them on a hill in Livingston's area.
     
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    Well, if the Greenies on the Left have their way with wind (2 - 4 times) and solar (4 - 8 times) the most expensive methods of stationary energy production per KwH there are (the numbers given are compared to natural gas and nuclear) synthetic fuel might actually look good enough to do.
     
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    And then of course there is the factor of not being in a desperate enough situation like losing a world war or having severe enough fuel shortages to be able to wage war too.
     
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    Here is another link to more and newer data on the CTF (Coal to Fuel) plans. I found this through a link in my local paper concerning Montana's gigantic coal deposits and proposed plans for tuning them into liquid fuels.

    Liquid fuel from coal

    Now while this is all "on the drawing boards" for use here in the US, there are a number of pilot plants up and running in Australia as I understand it. The proposed plant here in MT. would be a dual purpose proposition. One plant to turn coal into liquids, and another to use closed high temperature treatments to make our existing lower grade coal into a coal which burns with more heat and less emmission, much like the eastern anthracite (sp?) grade.

    I don't think that process is discussed on that site, I'll try and find it if you are interested but we are getting far afield of WW2 here.
     

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