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Which party should you support?

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  1. LRusso216

    LRusso216 Graybeard Staff Member

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    I don't know what constitutes an "ultra" leftist, but there are many around here who are polar opposites of me politically, and I might seem so to them. I won't apologize for my political beliefs, which are not in accord with many here. Ultimately, it doesn't really matter as long as the discourse stays civil.
     
  2. SMLE shooter

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    I know I ain't one.
     
  3. Totenkopf

    Totenkopf אוּרִיאֵל

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    I believe in the Basic principles of Communism, just not what happened in our real world though!

    Does that make me Ultra-Left?
     
  4. Wolfy

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    What are these basic principals that you believe in?
     
  5. Friedrich

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    Not good enough, I'm afraid! :p

    My brother-in-law is a militant Trotskist. Now, that is left-winged! Red, not pink! Old fashioned Soviet communism, which is far more respectable than Michae-Moore-like, politically-correct 'Liberal'... :rolleyes: :p

    I tend to usually be on the right on most matters around the people I know, but in this forum I find myself on the left on many occassions... and it's always quite weird. :confused:
     
  6. brndirt1

    brndirt1 Saddle Tramp

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    This poll by the Pew Research Center may explain (or clarify) why some of we Americans fit on both ends of the spectrum:

    For the past two years, centrism has dominated Americans' political views. That's the conclusion of the latest survey, released Thursday, from the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press.

    Pew President Andy Kohut says the number of people reporting that they are political independents reached a 70-year high, but there was little movement regarding people's values. That's even though President Obama's election marked a watershed moment for the United States.

    Of the independents surveyed, more described themselves as "leaning" Democratic than Republican (17 percent vs. 12 percent.) But in surveys conducted this year, 33 percent of independents described their views as conservative, up from 28 percent in 2007 and 26 percent in 2005, according to Pew.

    Kohut says this just means that independent voters are "unbalanced centrists" — they tend to have conservative views about government and regulation, and more liberal views regarding the hot-button social issues, national security and religion, he says.

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    Pew Poll Notes Rise In Independent Voters : NPR

    This year’s update included 77 questions posed to 3,013 people interviewed by cell phone or landline over two weeks this spring. For all adults, the poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 2 percentage points. Pew has used surveys conducted by Gallup to identify long-term trends in party identification since 1939. Indeed, the survey found that 36 percent of people call themselves independent, an up-tick from two years ago, while 35 percent of the voting public claim the Democratic label and only 23 percent say they are Republicans.

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    Pew Research Center: Country in midst of centrist period | Washington Examiner
     
    Back to myself, I did the "online" figure out your party quiz, and I don’t understand how that works since parties I’ve never heard of tied with others. It looks bogus somehow, but not totally wrong since I came out generally Democratic, with some Reform and some Republican points. I am, as I always suspected, a centrist it appears. Or in the words of my Dad, a MUGWUMP. Mug on one side of the fence, Wump on the other.
     
  7. Wolfy

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    My current views have much in common with conservative liberalism.
     
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    LRusso216 Graybeard Staff Member

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    Clint, your research article has much to recommend it. I think we in the states tend to hold mostly centrist views, but we make a big deal about our differences,and create our own political spectrum based on those differences. However, if you take our general views as a whole and place them on a world wide continuum, we all tend to fall into the center of that spectrum, some a bit to the left, some a bit to the right. There are very few of us who would tend toward the far right or far left of that scale. I think our similarities far outweigh the differences. Liberal and conservative, I think, are two sides of the same coin.
     
  9. SMLE shooter

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    Yes.
     
  10. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Aquila non capit muscas

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    Ah, opinions, like something else everyone has one.
     
  11. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Good Ol' Boy Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    I would have to agree with you.

    I don't see you as an ultra-leftist. Correct me if I am wrong, but I see you as more of a 60s Democrat, as opposed to that gang that holds strong influence over the Democrat party now.

    I am always wary of how people describe themselves without explaining what the terms actually mean. Your view of a conservative or liberal may be different than mine, if we don't define the terms. After all, I consider myself a handsome man, some old girlfriends may not.:D

    You're going to have to explain that oxymoron.:eek:
     
  12. SMLE shooter

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    ??????
     
  13. Wolfy

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    I can't classify myself as a "conservative liberal", but rather that I think that it's more along the lines with what I believe. It is a center-right ideology.

    Conservative liberalism

    1. moderate libertarianism- strongly support free market economics, but not supporting more extreme libertarian ideals like abolishing the fed
    2. socially left-leaning
    3. support globalization and strong foreign policy
    4. support strong military, active defense and military intervention
    5. very tough on crime, willing to sacrifice civil liberties to fight crime/terrorism
    6. strong separation of church and state
    7. strong stance against illegals

    1. Yes
    2. Some, not all
    3. Yes
    4. Yes, but not sure how much
    5. Not sure
    6. Yes
    7. No
     
  14. Friedrich

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    Alright... let's see where I stand. :D

    1. Totally agree.
    2. Definately no... no 'social' programmes for me. Private health care and social security.
    3. Yes!
    4. Whilst the military matter is a delicate one (you know, I'm a member of Amnesty International), and I tend to be suspicious of military actions, I do support humanitarian military interventions (I do agree on Iraq and Afghanistan, but why not Somalia, Rwanda and Sudan too?).
    5. Against. Against dead penalty. Against a justice based on punishment. Against government surveillance on any kind. Of course, against 'alternative methods' with prisioners... (you see? I dangerously lean to the 'left' here!)
    6. Separation of Church and State, yes... but not a strong one. (No abortion and gay 'right's for me).
    7. No. I say, like Reagan, 'tare down this wall!'.

    :p :p :p
     

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