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Another Polish mass grave found

Discussion in 'Post War 1945-1955' started by GRW, Oct 28, 2013.

  1. GRW

    GRW Pillboxologist WW2|ORG Editor

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    Following on from the one found in Warsaw a few months ago.
    "Archaeologists have unearthed human remains in a search for victims of communist repression at a former interrogation site in Bialystok, north east Poland.

    Poland's state-backed Institute of National Remembrance (IPN) has estimated that up to 200 people may have been buried at the site. The remains were found on Friday, repeating discoveries made during an initial survey in July.
    The first finds indicated that one of the victims had been shot in the back of the head, a typical execution method used by Soviets, as practised during the 1940 Katyn Crime.
    The work has to be done exceptionally carefully, so that we don't lose anything that was once buried here,” IPN spokesman Professor Krzysztof Szwagrzyk said.
    The Bialystok building was used as a place of interrogation and temporary imprisonment by the occupying Soviet regime during the first two years of World War II, and following the so-called liberation of Poland from the Nazis in 1944.
    After the Second World War, when a Soviet-backed communist regime was installed in Poland, the building was used by Polish secret police."

    - See more at: http://www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/151341,Communist-victims-remains-found?#sthash.Dygf90iF.dpuf
     
  2. Skipper

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    at least those poor people will get a decent grave now . May they rest in peace
     
  3. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Good Ol' Boy Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Uncle Joe, what a fine fellow.
     
  4. denny

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    I understand the history of what went on there...but Friday.
    Doesn't it seem a bit quick to start making assumptions.?
    "One victim was shot in the back of the head"...does that mean just 1 of 200...or that so far there has been one.?
    Is it beyond doubt already.?
    Thanks
     
  5. Kai-Petri

    Kai-Petri Kenraali

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    Former interrogation site, 200 bodies. Perhaps not a coincidence. Still better wait for the results. Hope they can come up with names...

    Considering the treatment policy of the Germans and Soviets in Poland etc large graves with many people mean practically always execution of enemies of the system...
     
  6. harolds

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    It just doesn't have to necessarily be bonafied enemies. It could also be anyone they thought could give them trouble in the future: military officers, anyone with a higher education, religious leaders, journalists,etc.
     
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    LRusso216 Graybeard Staff Member Patron  

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    The educated are always at risk in totalitarian systems. Their ability to think and rationally explain their ideas make them dangerous. I suspect that the Germans and Soviets both can be accused of this kind of murder. Of course, both routinely massacred the Jews and any others deemed a threat to the system, for whatever reason. I also hope that these dead can be identified. That would make it easier to assign blame, as well as give them a proper burial.
     
  9. Skipper

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    Something most interesting here. The Polish-Soviet border agreement from Yalta was acknowledged by both countries by an August 1945 treaty , except a part of the Bialystok region which was finally returned to Poland.
    In other words the Soviets had a few months (from May to August) before the Polish authorities were handed over the area for investigation. it would be interesting to find out whether the mass grave zone (or others) were comprised in this piece of land.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland
     
  10. Tamino

    Tamino Doc - The Deplorable

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    In Poland it is impossible to blame just the Germans or to the NKVD for all attrocities. Poles were even worse and much more barbaric in their enthusiasm to get rid of their own Jews. It is very likely that these murdered persons are the victims of yet another Polish pogrom. Here is a passage from N. Fergussons "War of the World":
     
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    Tamino, I think you're correct. While it's easy to blame the Germans or the Soviets, all Europeans were complicit, too a greater or lesser extent. This was particularly true of Eastern Europeans. The Jews were an easy target when things went wrong.
     
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    Tamino Doc - The Deplorable

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    Abraham would have had troubles to find even a single righteous in continental Europe after the WW2. All were involved this way or another. Both winners and losers. Just these willing collaborators involved in mass murders who made "outstanding" crimes were blamed, but in some cases entire population was involved in bloodshed. Regarding the Poles: even after the end of the WW2 they hadn't had enough: they continued to persecute rare surviving Jews. Pogroms have dragged until 1949. And yet, they persist to present themselves as the only victims. According to 1931 census there were just 66% poles of Polish ethnicity and today Poland is practically 100% Polish. In which graves are their former minorities?
     
  13. harolds

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    It just wasn't in Eastern Europe that was complicit. The French had the Melice(sp?). There are other examples.
     

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