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    Germany officially recognises colonial-era Namibia genocide

    Germany officially recognises colonial-era Namibia genocide

    Germany has officially acknowledged committing genocide during its colonial occupation of Namibia, and announced financial aid worth more than €1.1bn (£940m; $1.34bn).

    German colonisers killed tens of thousands of Herero and Nama people there in early 20th Century massacres.

    Foreign Minister Heiko Maas said his country was asking Namibia and victims' descendants for forgiveness.

    But activists say the aid is not enough to address the suffering inflicted.

    A spokesman for the Namibian government told AFP news agency Germany's recognition was "a first step in the right direction".
     
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    ..the locals/Africans also committed '''genocide''/war/rape/murder/etc
     
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    Better late than never, I suppose.
     
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    Some countries still say they did Nothin bad, even from Europe.
     
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    ..no worse than what the Africans or Native Americans did:
    Shaka Zulu assassinated
     
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    Historians largely agree that Germany's actions in Namibia were a precursor to Nazi era crimes, individuals like Eugen Fischer conducted medical experiments on the Herero and Nama people and saw the Holocaust as a chance to continue their work. His published writings were used to develop Nazi race policy and were read and cited enthusiastically by Hitler himself. Josef Mengle, Otmar Freiherr von Verschuer, the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute of Anthropology, etc are also connected to these men and events.

    If you genuinely believe this is comparable to a mad king or some other "what about" example...I don't know what to tell ya.
     
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    hahhahahah
    --no, no worse that what the Africans did-you haven't disproved that
    1.so if someone murders 1 man he's better than someone that murders 5 ???!!
    2. you did not read the link--Shaka Zulu murdered people--innocent people
    -he conquered/etc by war/murder/etc
    3. murdering with a spear is no better than murdering with gas
    --I can go on and on
    ...the Native Americans/Africans were just as evil as the nazis/Germans/etc.
    ..my god, you think the Germans/whites are the the only ones that ever did evil things????!!!!!!!???
    ...the Native Americans tortured per culture--even the kids participated..they decimated/displaced/murdered/rape/took captives-slaves/etc
    etc
    ....fairness and just--facts/truth--not hate or racism/etc
     
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    ..Holocaust = 6 million murdered in 4 years
    ..Rwanda over 500,000 in 3 months!!! --with medieval weapons = more had to directly kill, per capita, than in Germany
    etc
     
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    Germany is recognizing a genocide committed by Germans, many of whom in the years following the aforementioned genocide became devout Nazis and used their prior experience to become perpetrators and architects of heinous new crimes.

    In response you're building up weird strawmen (who said anything about whites?) and "whatabout" fallacies to minimize German crimes? Rwandans recognize their genocide and Native Americans don't deny their history either, yet it's clear that Europe's own history in this regard doesn't get the same recognition.
     
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    1. most Germans did not vote for the nazis--so to say Germany was responsible for the Holocaust, is not exactly true---same with German colonialism...same with colonialism anywhere
    ..I am using comparisons to show my meaning
    2.then how come the NAs don't apologize? you are totally wrong-all we ever hear about is how the NAs gave out corn and flowers---totally not the truth, not fairness, etc
    3. I want fairness and justice--and the truth
    4. all we ever hear about is how the whites are the ONLY EVIl race, that's why I bring it up....how ridiculous.....so, if the Germans and Americans [ whites, as used in the NA wars/etc ] should apologize, so should every other race/country/group/etc
     
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    It doesn't matter if most Germans didn't vote for the Nazis, few did anything to try and stop them and many were more than happy to reap the rewards while the going was good. The German view post WW2 that led to "collective guilt" was that the Nazis wouldn't have gotten as far as they did if the average German didn't remain silent or apathetic to what was happening around them.

    I forget the book that I read this in (Frontsoldaten, I think?) but the general view among Germans was that they were both "victims & perpetrators", that their own suffering during the war was overshadowed by the fact that the Nazis couldn't have gotten as far as they did if every German didn't intentionally or unintentionally play a role in the events that surrounded it.

    I don't know how you came to the conclusion that it's "all we ever hear about" but reconciliation or peace ceremonies among Native tribes were recorded by Europeans so you can't paint with such a broad brush. Additionally, this is a bit of a red herring as I don't think any tribe is currently asking for an apology from another tribe like the Herero were of the Germans.

    You're simply projecting here and using it as an excuse to downplay genocide and the recognition of guilt. I'm not sure how you can cite Rwanda (a global model for reconciliation) in a prior post and then make the claim that it's only whites who apologize.
     
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    1. hahahhahahahahah
    2.yes, that's all we ever hear = whites are EVIL...NAs/Africans did [ and do ] nothing wrong....my god, what planet do you live on??!!!..this thread is evidence of that
    --everyday, we hear about whites/Europeans being EVIL--....it's in the MSM everyday ..this is one of the biggest myths of the last few years-and that is only whites are evil/racist ....it's like what the nazis did = slandering the Jews
    --it just so happens, for the long weekend, I picked up some books on the Old West, etc...I've been on an Old West shootout/etc kick--again....and what do you know!!!-- the first thing in one of the books tells of the NAs doing the same thing as whites....the Iroquois were famous for doing the same crap
    =page 5 of Dreams of El Dorado:
    ''''A tribe seeking to displace the possessor of a bountiful ground might wipe out an entire village and move in''''
    '''''Warring tribes carried off women and children.......enslaving the captives .....''''
    ---etc many, many examples...a lot of the history books on NAs give the same info
    ---bold mine
    same--same--same as the whites did...in fact, the NAs were ''''worse'''--they tortured---even the children participated
    3. not downplaying anything--I'm giving the facts/truth.....
    4.these people are pots calling the kettles ''''black'''--OOOPS!!! omg --I said a bad word
    --a perfect, perfect example [ comparison, if I may mods?? ] is Gwen Berry
     
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    ..it's the same with the major issue in the US today = I'm not downplaying or defending ...I'm pointing out myths/lies/falsehoods/distortions
     
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    So, what you are saying is that the whites were savages...OK, I can agree with that.

    The North Americans, aka "savages" were doing it, and the whites aka "civilized folk" were doing it...Thus, the whites are "savages."

    Can't argue with the logic.

    Really? Whites have never ever ever tortured...Seems that thousands of years of history prove that wrong.

    You should delete
    Then. As that is "downplaying" the truth. Whites have tortured for thousands of years, including current times.

    Further, you are cherrypicking your "facts", so as to present only a kernel of truth.
    Your really do hate it when African-Americans get uppity...

    Another perfect perfect example...Those idiots that stormed the Capitol...They too turned there backs on America.
     
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    Once again you haven't responded to any of my points and seem to have simply rephrased an older post you made right down to its fallacies, this is hardly a good faith conversation on your part.
     
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    Complains endlessly about MSM myths/lies/falsehoods/distortion

    Quotes from MSM website(#1 Factual Entertainment Brand) to prove his point.

    Priceless...
     
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    hahhahaha--so you are PRO-injustice..PRO lies/etc.....got it
     
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    ..plain and simple----I stated facts/truth and proved what I claimed ......
    ...you are not backing up your claims....you are just babbling
    ..you constantly try [ and fail ] to disprove my claims---and denigrate/slur/etc me and others, just for your pleasure and hate of others--just like we see with certain ''tribes''' in today's issues
    and I laugh at it--HAHAHAHAHAH
     
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    more hahahhahaha
    ..I stated that the NAs.Africans, etc did the same EVIL things as the whites/Europeans --and I provided proof..I can provide more proof also.....you did not [ can't ] disprove my claims ---end of story
     
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    Nah...I'm PRO-irony and ANTI-idiot.
     
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