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Incident At UK Parliament

Discussion in 'The Stump' started by GRW, Mar 22, 2017.

  1. Takao

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    The difference is Alexandre Bissonnette was a lonely, withdrawn, mentally disturbed man supposedly informed by right wing organizations including Generation Nationale, and politicians including Marine Le Pen.
    Buth both the organizations and those politicians don't advocate terror, murders, violence, authoritarianism, theocracy, xenophobia, misogyny, misanthropy, homophobia, bigotry.

    On the other hand the man on Westminster Bridge was informed and supported by people who do advocate terror, murders, violence, and actually are killing tens of thousands of people every year.

    And they belong to a religion which currently do support and advocate: authoritarianism, theocracy, misogyny, homophobia, bigotry - even in Britain (Sharia courts in Britain lock women into 'marital captivity', study says):

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    Can I draw attention to another ancient text?
    Islam isnlt like the Catholic Church with a hierarchy and central authority. Its more like American Christianity with a plethora of churches. And there is a lot of nominally Christian sources advocating hatred and violent action against Muslims.

    How much outrage has anyone expressed about the string of car bombings which have occurred in Bagdad this year? Iraq car bomb kills 20 in south-west Baghdad - BBC News Each five times as lethal as the attack on London? Or how about the 200 dead in Mosul from coalition air strikes? UN fears 200 died in coalition airstrike on Mosul - BBC News

    Or how about the civilians killed in collateral damage from our own military actions Yemeni civilians killed in first US raid under Trump The logic behind the assassination of the Yemani preacher was that he was the kind of chap who inspires extremist terrorists. The deaths of any civilian bystanders is justified by the lives that might be saved in the future. Don't we owe their families as much time in our prayers as we do to the other victims of terrorism? How do we know that this casualty calculus is effective? From my personal study of history killing people doesn't make their relatives better disposed. I have a suspicion that our own policies have been the some of the best propagandist for Islamic extremists.

    This is probably an unwelcome comment on a thread started to express sympathy for the victims of a atrocity. However, the attack happened three miles from my house and close to places where I work. It hasn't been the first terrorist attack here either. Before 7/7 and 9/11 we had Irish terrorist campaign. I heard the Bishopgate bomb and had walked past the bomb in a litter bin in my own high street about ten minutes before it had exploded. I knew one of the soldiers who was beaten to death on TV in 1987.

    I recall the outrage - and feeling outraged. I remember the arguments about whether we should get tougher and follow the Israeli model - strike at terrorists in the Republic. There was the outrage that the death penalty could not be applied to the Birmingham six. Looking back, with a sense of deja-vu, it was the injustice which fueled the terrorism. The injustice was felt most by the American-irish diaspora, who were some of the biggest backers of PIRA terrorism. If you want a model for the link between extremism and popular support - have a close look at support for Irish Republicanism during the troubles. Have a look at how incidents such as the ambush/assassination of the Gibraltar three was played.
     
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  4. Brian Smith

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    The bleeding heart liberals can be dressed up actions such as this in many ways and put forward many explanations for such behavior but in the final analysis a terrorist is just that, a terrorist. Someone who is prepared to kill anybody to further a cause which has no support from a vast majority of those the action is said to be taken on behalf of.

    The cause is immaterial.
     
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    More like "the answer to the problem lies within the Muslim MENTALITY".
     
  6. m kenny

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    It might be time to reflect that the current terrorism problems in The UK pale in comparison to the IRA Campaign in 1970s-90s. 'Muslims' are nowhere near as effective as them there 'Roman Catholics'. Though body-count is normaly used as a measure of outrage it was the very costly attacks on the Financial Centres in London that forced the UK to seek a solution.
    Some believe 'terrorism' only became a problem when their nation became a target but Europe has been dealing with the problem for decades.
     
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    Yeah but at least the IRA types finally "grew out of it" and started behaving after awhile. Them there Mooslims been going at it since the Crusades. And the like it.
     
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    I think you must be confused. The name 'Crusades' gives the game away. When did Saladin attack London or Paris?
    Can you point me to any 'Muslim' attacks in Europe prior to 1945 (for example) that shows this long lineage of aggression?
     
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    No I'm not confused. The word Crusades was just used as a time reference. And I was not referring to any Muslim attacks in any specific place. Just pointing out that those people will never be satisfied with getting along with anyone. Ever.
     
  10. belasar

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    How about Vienna, September 1683? or perhaps the one in 1529? Lepanto 1571?
     
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    Political correctness is killing us, the liberal mindset is denying the truth if it is different from what they want to believe

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    I think the problem lies more with the people who refer to a whole religion as 'those people'.
    Anyway at least you walked away from referencing your absurd claim 'those people' have been 'going at it' since the Crusades.
    The problem is, as it always is, a fight between 2 religions both convinced they are 100% right and the other 100% wrong when truth is they are both 100% wrong.
    A pox on all sky fairies.
     
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    Those people, meaning the Muslims. Really, the problem is with people who use words that some consider a bit too harsh? Highly doubtful. I've never killed anyone before. I use that term just because it upsets the libs and the PC crowd. It's just a reference. Would you be happier if I referred to them as "those assholes?" And yes, those people, the Muslims, have been slaughtering in the name of Allah since they got organized. It's not about who's religion is right or wrong, it's just that those camel jockeys can't get along with anyone on the planet. They hate each other. Sunnis hate the Shiites, the Shiites hate the Sunni's, and they both hate the Kurds for whatever reason. They all hate the Jews, Christians and Hindus. They hate the Buddhists as well. They'd probably have a field day with the Scientologists and Mormons. And that's just some of the religious groups they hate. They hate everything non-Muslim. They hate everything non-them. There's other groups too that they get their panties all twisted up over like the homos, women, secular types, anyone who doesn't see things their way, who doesn't do things their way, those who won't allow them to impose their will on them willingly, those who dislike Sharia and all things Sharia, those who the list goes on and on and on and on and on. They probably get torqued up over their own reflection in the mirror. If they could all just get along....but noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Then they'd have no one to jihad up against. Then they would die because they couldn't kill everyone else.
     
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    Beauty Rant.


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    I feel like joining in a circle and singing some kumbaya now. But nooooooooooooooooooo, those people who are perpetually offended might get offended and go full on jihad on us.

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    This just completes it.

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    You mean like the way Catholics and protestants were killing each other in Northern Ireland? Or like the way Hindus and Sikhs murder each other? Or the way the Hindus slaughtered Pakistanis after partition? All religious fanatics are looneys
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    You are absolutely right my friend, lunatics are frigging nutcases, whether they be religious, ideological, political or whatever. Nothing but a nuisance to everyone else. Like I said before, at least the Catholics and Protestants grew out of all that finally and seem to be making a go of it without killing each other. You are the one who misses the point here, and I even mention it several rants back, the merits of one religion over another is not the question. It's just that those people, the Muslims can't get along with anyone. Ever. They can't because they don't want to. They refuse to try. Even if we were all Muslim, all 6 or 7 billion of us on the planet, they'd still want to jihad us because we aren't Muslim enough since were were born in the new world. I have nothing against anyone who goes about their business without harming others. It doesn't matter what you, me, them or Joe Shit the Ragman down the street believes or doesn't believe. Just believe what you want, the way you want, or believe in nothing, whatever makes you happy. Just go jihad someplace else, like the moon.
     
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    Well in my entire time on this planted I have met 1000s of Muslims. A couple of my neighbours are Muslims. I have been in many Muslim houses and my kids played with Muslim children. Not once in my entire life have I ever been threatened, attacked or had any form of trouble from a Muslim. I do not live in the same hate-filled world that you inhabit. I do not fear for my life. I do not fear my neighbours. I simply can not imagine living a life where I am in constant fear of an entire continent. We are still laughing at the idiots who claimed Birmingham is a Muslim city (Caliphate) and Muslim religious Police beat people up in 'no go' zones.
    Are all your news people as crazy as this?



    Cameron was being polite here:

     
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    You are wrong. I met Muslims daily. Your fears are unfounded. None of them have ever attacked, threatened or put me in fear for my safety. By drawing on my experience with Muslims I can confidently say your belief that all Muslims want to kill me is bollocks. 'These people' have never been a problem and frankly I would be more worried if someone who talked like you moved next door to me.
     

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