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Ju-390 long range bomber

Discussion in 'Axis Bomber Planes' started by Class of '42, Apr 29, 2020.

  1. CAC

    CAC Ace of Spades

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    Flying at night and at height would be the best defence...rear and a couple of guns under the fuselage would be my design. Speed could be important too...let’s not forget the possibility of jet bombers...and the advent of substantial underwing fuel tanks.
     
  2. Class of '42

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    Since how desperate and fanatical the Germans were by '44...why not just ask for some volunteers for a one-way mission to NYC..forget the heavy armor and guns and a return trip..pack it full of fuel and explosives...come in under radar and crash into the Empire State building...which is probably the most famous icon outside the State of Liberty. Sure this is all "what if" speculation but makes for an interesting concept or for some movie script...lots of great comments in here.
     
  3. Kai-Petri

    Kai-Petri Kenraali

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    Hajo Herrman suggested fighter pilots to make suicide attacks against Allied bombers. Not impossible to think a suicide bombing mission either I think.
     
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    I'm sure you'd get some takers! Plenty of young recruits signed up for a unit to ram bombers! Oh yes, and also to man suicide V-1s.
     
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    As always, weight is a tradeoff - a plane can only carry so much weight. More fuel, even in drop tanks, means less bombs can be carried.
     
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    The main advantage of drop tanks is - that you can drop them - when you need to be able to maneuver. At that point you should hope you have the fuel you need to complete your mission - air combat, bombing, whatever - and get home.
     
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    The real problem with weight is in taking off...or not, as the case may be. More than a few B-17s didn't get too far past the end of the runway. That's one of the advantages of A2A refueling, you don't have to take off with your tanks topped. Just top them off when you're already in the air and going fast enough to have plenty of lift! Perhaps the crew of the tanker will check your oil and wash the windshield!
     
  8. belasar

    belasar Court Jester Staff Member

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    A sustained effort was impossible, even if a first raid got lucky and timed their strike to hit after dark, but if Germany saw this as a reverse Doolittle raid as a propaganda raid that might force the US to redeploy assets to the mainland USA it might be worth a squadron of planes from the German perspective.
     
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    I essentially agree with you that a sustained effort over time would be impossible, if nothing else because the fuel demands would be prohibitive. Luck would also play a big part, especially in keeping Allied intelligence in the dark.
    Where I disagree is the idea that random bombing would be beneficial to the Germans. We could shrug off a few buildings being knocked down but the destruction or damage to the port, docks shipping, the naval yard, chemical plants etc. would force the USA to take the threat seriously enough to redeploy forces. That would necessitate hitting in daylight. [Edit: Or, if at night, do it like the Germans did in Barisi(?), Italy and use flares to ensure bombing accuracy.]
     
  10. Class of '42

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    If there was to be air raids to the U.S. East Coast...most likely it would of involved the secret Kampfgeschwader 200 under Oberst Werner Baumbach.

    The Luftwaffe's Secret KG 200
     
  11. Kai-Petri

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    Like previously mentioned Germans had plans to send subs with at least v-1 flying bombs,too. V2 would be too far to send in the close of NY, NY. Ideas? Other read about these? Kph
     
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    I compare this to the Doolittle raid for a reason. It was/would be a propaganda stunt. Doolittle accomplished almost nothing of physical value with the loss of all aircraft. It could have cost Enterprise, Hornet and their escorts as well. All for a publicity stunt to raise domestic morale. This could be true for Germany whose cities were being turned to rubble.
     
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    Hitler had only one thing on his mind: revenge. Even late in war he sent his bombers to bomb the UK when they would be useful elsewhere. He did not think of defence. He also sent night fighters against the Allied day bombers and Lost them, too.
     

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