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Discussion in 'Eastern Europe October 1939 to February 1943' started by Richard, Jan 17, 2006.

  1. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Aquila non capit muscas

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    Have you ever seen a map of the Moscow region lately? Do you realise this reagion was particularly crisscrossed with watelines, and strewn with wooded and built-up areas? Where have you came up with this strange notion that "they had already partly closed a ring around"? Can you please show me a map with this precious information?

    Well, if they had to have help from the main manoeuvre force of the neighbouring Army Group this means they simply were not up to the task, they had the means for one arm of the pincer only, isn't it?

    All the Germans had to do? Can you please provide an estimate of how many troops you would need to reinforce Army Group Centre with to enable it to perform this manoeuvre? And how would you supply them and through which specific roads?
     
  2. Kai-Petri

    Kai-Petri Kenraali

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    Throughout the summer 1941 Hitler had repeatedly forbidden the reinforcement of the Ostheer from stocks of newly produced tanks. These he instructed were to be held back for future campaigns extending over thousands of kilometers.

    Kiev 1941 David Stahel
     
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    Arise, Zombie thread of doom!
     
  4. Kai-Petri

    Kai-Petri Kenraali

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    Interesting. I recall Guderian demanding from Hitler new tanks but got only a promise of new tank engines ca. 200 pieces.( early September )

    David Stahel Kiev 1941:

    on 15 September Halder received word that Hitler had authorized the release of 60 Czech-designed 38(t)s, 150 Mark IIIIs and 96 Mark IVs. This was 300 tanks from a new production total of some 815 units ( all models )turned out in the three-month period between June and August.) Nevertheless, it was further supplemented by the transfer of Germany´s last two panzer divisions ( the 2nd and 5th ) to Hoepner´s Panzer Group 4. Between them these two formations fielded some 450 tanks, raising Bock´s total of panzer reinforcements to 750 tanks.
     

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