What if Germany and Russia were allies???

Mustang " Sorry my mistake. By the end of the war it was still probably the best Navy in Europe, but by that time the Japanese Navy and American Navy would've been better"

What Japanese Navy?, by 1945 you Americans had rather unsportingly sunk it all
By the end of WW2, the worlds largest fleets were

1) USA
2) Royal Navy
3) Royal Canadian Navy
No, the last one is not a mistake

 

Just for fun I have listed below, a rough guide to the sizes of the major navies when they entered WW2

Strength of the RN in Sept 1939
15 Capital ships
7 Aircraft Carriers
15 Heavy Cruisers
46 Light Cruisers
181 Destroyers
59 Submarines
54 Escorts

Strength of the US Navy December 1941 ( The US had started to build up its forces from the opening of the war in Europe)
16 Battleships
7 Aircraft Carriers
18 Heavy Cruisers
19 Light Cruisers
6 Anti-Aircraft Cruisers
171 Destroyers
114 Submarines

Strength of the Japanese Navy December 1941
10 Battleships
8 Aircraft Carriers
18 Heavy Cruisers
20 Light Cruisers
108 destroyers
I have no figure for Submarines

Strength of the German Navy 1939
2 old Battleships
2 Battlecruisers
3 Armoured Cruisers
3 Heavy Cruisers
22 Destroyers
20 torpedo boats/small Destroyers
59 Submarines

Strength of the Italian Navy june 1940
6 Battleships
7 Heavy Cruisers
14 Light Cruisers
1 Coastal Defense Ship
122 Destroyers/Torpedo Boats
119 Submarines

 

Nice stats Redcoat. I had completely forgotten about the Canadian Navy. *bump*
The Canadian did have a pretty large Navy, but I'm curious to know which planes they flew. Didn't they mostly fly American Carrier based planes?

 

America did NOT win Midway based on luck! They won it with intelligence, bravely and wisely applied!!!

 

Mustang "The Canadian did have a pretty large Navy, but I'm curious to know which planes they flew. Didn't they mostly fly American Carrier based planes?"

Err, they didn`t have any Aircraft Carriers as such, Although two Escort Carriers which remained in the RN were manned by Canadian crews . The HMS Nabob and HMS Puncher, of which only HMS Nabob saw any active service, taking part in an attack on Tirpitz, but she was torpedoed by U-334 on the 22 August 44 and although she made it back to port under her own steam, she was judged not worth repairing and paid off
On the other question, the two types of aircraft used by the Nabob were indeed American, Wildcat and Avenger

 

Thanks for clearing that up Redcoat. I feel much better now. I was pretty sure that the Canadians flew American planes, but wasn't 100% sure.

 

IMHO America won Midway with OUTRAGEOUS luck. Not merely luck.

 

The Americans had good luck at Midway, but it wasn't the deciding factor. The Japanese had bad luck at Midway, but that wasn't the deciding factor either. The Americans used the right tactics (partly by accident) and the Japanese used the wrong tactics (not by accident).

Victory in war goes to the side that makes the fewer gross mistakes.

 

I can't see it happening. We were not allies in 1939-1941. Except for Poland noone of both nation was assisted by the other on its military campaigns. Was the USSR helped by Germany to invade Finland? No. Was Germany helped by the USSR to invade Western Europe, Scandinavia and Great Britain? No.

Actually, they keep thinking that they did it all by themselves...

 

Von Ribbentrop was having talks with Molotov to allow Russia to join the Triple alliance (Germany-Italy-Japan).

There were a lot of conditions which Hitler didn't wanted to fulfill. E.g.: withdrawel from Eastern Europe, no help to the Finish, ...

What if Hitler aggreed with these terms, in exchange to help to defeat the capatilists in Great Brittain and America.