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  1. Prospero Quevedo

    Prospero Quevedo Active Member

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    Originally the war ministry didn't want the spitfire but the designer knew his plane would make a difference and used his own money and private backers and a small government grant to continue developing the plane. The Soviet military turned down the t34 but thy guy built it himself bts by day his 34 by night. The US navy didn't believe in carriers most of the old salts felt they were a waste of money and more battleships were needed. What would have happened if none of those things never were. What if there never was a wasp or Yorktown class, Saratoga or Lexington. We won the war with carriers, but what if the admirals had gotten their way and we had built more battleships and no carriers. Would we be speaking German or Japanese.
     
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    Sorry, but not true.

    Sorry, but not true.

    Sorry, but not true.

    Only in Hollywood.
     
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    Must have watched too much docudrama that was more drama than documentary sorry bout that
     
  4. Riter

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    Concur with RichTO90.

    Govt did provide some funding for the design of the plane that became the Spitfire.

    You can't do squat in the Soviet factory without some one singing. Unauthorized using of goverment stuff? That's counter-revolutionary sabotage. Gulag for you.

    Re: Carriers. Look at the keel laying dates for the Essex class CVs. It was before we entered WW 2. We knew from wargames that aircraft could attack and sink a battlefleet from over the horizon.

    Neither Germany nor Japan had the ability to invade the mainland of the United States. Naval War College knew that from War Plan Orange and War Plan Black. You need not just a battle fleet to defeat the US battle fleet, but also escort ships to sustain the non-existant troop ships, ammunition ships, cargo ships, tankers, gasoline ships, dry docks, tugs, lighters, landing ships, repair ships, escort ships and all the other vessels required to support and sustain a landing force. The Naval War College knew that it would take two years to build such a fleet of auxiliary vessels.
     
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    BTW, the T-34 evolved from the earlier A-32 which had a 45 mm gun and thinner armor. It was decided to have more armor and a heavier gun and thus the bigger tank, T-34.
     
  6. Prospero Quevedo

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    The Boston shipyard jumped from 17,000 to 50,000 twenty percent women it said the women were kept separated from the men. Most of the Essex were launched with in 18 months one in nine and one even in seven. I really like the Essex class I'm disappointed that none of the waterline companies haven't done an angled deck Essex yet, I know there's that resin one but a plastic one from trumpeter would probably be fantastic. Those super detailed waterline kits with a ton of brass details sure amazing that Essex with the full deck and side details and the South Dakota the twenties and forties are a work of art. In fact I think trumpeters Essex has sky raiders and f9f for Korea. Anyway love the look of the upgraded Essex. Was looking for the shinden Kai j7w1. Missed getting one thought I was bidding on one found out later f-toys had a144 collector series and a toy series I thought I was bidding on a collector model found out it the toy series not as detailed and not to accurate scale. I hope to get one or rebuild the toy one to proper scale. Was looking to see if it's been rerelease do or another company has done a new set. Found some models online rebuilt as j7w2s looks kewl one the j1 but jet engine the other the wing vertical stabilizers removed and a large tail fin installed, the fuselage spine shaved down and bubble canopy installed and jet engine. Looks kewl I always thought a jet was the way to go but the Japanese were far behind on jet technology. Like too bad the air force didn't fund lockheeds l133. They say the engine was revolutionary and would have been better than the German axial design. Funny I was surfing the net on comics and they had a series of comics the Germans invade NY and Washington, they over run New York taking control of the bridges. Washington US forces are over run by tiger 1&2 and maus or e100s m26s are over run a m4/76 takes out a tiger one but gets knocked out the commander and one of his crew take their thompsons and head for the White House they see the Germans pull down the flag and host the nazi flag up. They head for friendly lines. In San Francisco a Japanese task force lands thousands of Japanese troops landing a tank get knocked out by naval gun fire and the crew get the mgs and set up a defense on a hill overlooking the beach and start mowing down Japanese troops more reinforcements arrived and the invasion force is destroyed. Later back in Washington a military parade is going on as one of the troop formations reaches the right position a bomb goes off taking down the whole formation the other formations scatter and break up taking defensive positions tanks roll into the intersections, then underground unit attack killing most of the infantry some tanks knocked out by anti tank weapons but the underground are almost wiped out by more tanks in ny an American counter attack is underway and going well as people on the inside join the fight attacking the Germans from behind the German defense collapses. Washington US forces are held back by a force field made by tesla forced by the Germans the underground sabatoge the power station the fence goes down and the m26 and t29s pour thru they beat back the Germans knocking out tigers and maus/e100s and retake Washington with batman and some other avengers. Strange comic but haven't been able to find it again.
     
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    Germans invade the USA ?
    They couldn't cross the English Channel, can't see them crossing the Atlantic.
     
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    LoL, said it was a strange comic and the avengers helping fight the Germans cant remember which ones just remember batman as one. Maybe one of those alternate worlds like Star Trek enterprise but aliens helped the Germans so enterprise attacks the aliens to get history back to normal. It would have been something if we really had massed produced the t29s. I hope to make a M26E5 looks just like the E3 but the mantel looks much thicker bulges out more the front casting is also thicker but not sure what differences it had, 27 were made before production halted. Wonder if they have it in war thunder.
     
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    "I am brave on land, but a coward at sea." Adolf Hitler. His innate hesitation with regard to anything at sea helped lose the war for the Third Reich.
     
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    Not DC's Haunted Tank for sho'!

    San Franciscograd's Ocean Beach is an ideal landing area. Sand and few rocks (until you get near border w/San Mateo County). There were four 16" naval guns protecting the Golden Gate. Two were near the border with San Mateo County and two in Moron (Marin) County across the Golden Gate.
     
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    In the interwar period, two-gun batteries of 16" 50-caliber guns were installed on either side of the entrance to important waterways, other examples include Chesapeake and Narragansett Bays. Most of the guns were ex-Navy weapons built for the South Dakota class battleships and Lexington class battle cruisers cancelled under the Washington Naval Treaty.
     
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    At Fort Story, VA (Cape Henry), Four 16 inch Army Coast Artillery howitzers were installed circa 1922. In 1942-1943 four 16 inch naval rifles were added. Not to mention numerous smaller caliber guns. See Fort Story - FortWiki Historic U.S. and Canadian Forts and Joint Expeditionary Base Fort Story - Wikipedia. Back in those days of yore when one could travel freely on and off post as long as you had a window sticker and an ID card - no stop & search and third degree to explain your presence - Fort Story was a great place to go to enjoy the beach and avoid the tourists down the road in Virginia Beach. Fort John Custis, across the bay at Cape Charles, had a couple of 16 inch naval rifles installed circa 1943.
     

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