Discussion in 'WWII General' started by Floppy, Feb 10, 2022.
And when did this revisionism start?
My opinion is that anyone that joins this forum and makes two obviously trolling posts as their first effort should be treated with the respect they deserve.
So you have met some members of UKIP/Reform party
"National" Socialism put the State first, everybody else a distant second. Knee-jerk reaction to the word "Socialism" is to be expected from people who probably didn't learn anything after being (perhaps) successfully potty trained.
I'd call them murderers. Nothing else.
That would leave out a whole bunch of curse words.
I have yet to hear someone say the Nazis were leftists, but the Nazis were sure as hell not capitalists, at least not in the traditional sense. Of course I live in a part of the US where urban youth think its cool to wear CCCP t-shirts. Nobody would dare sully the left by association with Nazi Germany.
The Nazis did have a lot of collectivist sorts of ideas.. There is no doubt about that.
I'm old enough to remember when this site bore some resemblance to a WWII discussion forum.
May be time for a probation period for new members (as much of a pain as that would be for admins). How about first three posts have to cite at least one readily verifiable fact?
How am I trolling?
I think @firstf1abn was referring to this ^^^^
I could be wrong
Hmmm...Hitler was financed By Krupp etc because Hitler promised to stop the communists and the groups that protected the workers' right. He sure was not helping the workers right. Also due to the minimal number of foreign currency he had to get more ( By invading countries). Read what Schacht did. Not leftist, perhaps radical rightist? But then again Stalin was communist and killed his nations s people in camps.A leftist? A murderer.
Not much difference between the two camps, other than the motivation they used to bring about the sorrow, misery, and death they caused.
Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Both used the State to impose their will on other people's lives and both are disgusting.
Goring introduced Hitler to the moneyed industrialists, whereupon Hitler softened his rhetoric. Krupp was afraid of the Communists and they thought Hitler could be controlled. I'm reasonably certain that Hitler was contemptuous of old money and big business, at least in the beginning. The irony is Hitler became one of the richest men in Europe.
It's been a few years since I read this, but that is my recollection.
So sad. Was it not von Papen who gave his position as chancellor (?) To Hitler and promised he could control him. Well he couldn't.
It was not only von Papen. Since Hitler did not have any interest in keeping to the norms he had no compunction in ignoring them. Other people believed that he would follow traditions and thus be constrained. Since he had no real moral code he violated whatever could be used to rein him in. Consequently, he did whatever he wanted, even if it meant promising different things to different people.
By not taking part in the discussion or giving your own views. Not a good way to introduce a topic
I also recall that von Hindenburg was against Hitler as a chancellor. Von Papen managed to lure him believe he could control the man, and finally von Hindenburg gave in. Must admit that the closeness of his death may have made him weak to do otherwise, if von Hindenburg had been stronger, he might have stopped the Hitler reign altogether.
Enabling Act of 1933 - Wikipedia
In January 1933 Nazi Party leader Adolf Hitler convinced President Paul von Hindenburg to appoint him as chancellor, the head of the German government. Four weeks into his chancellorship, the Reichstag building caught fire in the middle of the night. Hitler blamed the incident on the communists and was convinced the arson was part of a larger effort to overthrow the German government. Using this justification, Hitler persuaded Hindenburg to enact the Reichstag Fire Decree. The decree abolished most civil liberties including the right to speak, assemble, protest, and due process. Using the decree the Nazis declared a state of emergency and began to arrest, intimidate, and purge his political enemies. Communists and labor union leaders were the first to be arrested and interned in the first Nazi concentration camps. By clearing the political arena of anyone willing to challenge him, Hitler submitted a proposal to the Reichstag that would immediately grant all legislative powers to the cabinet. This would in effect allow Hitler's government to act without concern to the constitution.
The Enabling Act (German: Ermächtigungsgesetz) of 1933, officially titled Gesetz zur Behebung der Not von Volk und Reich ("Law to Remedy the Distress of People and Reich"), was a law that gave the German Cabinet—most importantly, the Chancellor—the powers to make and enforce laws without the involvement of the Reichstag or Weimar President Paul von Hindenburg. Critically, the Enabling Act allowed the Chancellor to bypass the system of checks and balances in the government and the laws created under it could explicitly violate individual rights prescribed in the Weimar Constitution.
You have made exactly three posts, including this one. None contain any real content, but instead present a contentious subject:
"What is your opinion on people who try to say that the Nazis were left-wing socialists
And when did this revisionism start?"
How many socialists did the Nazis murder during WW2?
I cannot find any statistics on this
What are we supposed to make of that? You haven't expressed your own opinion. You haven't said why you are interested. By "left-wing socialists" did you mean the KPD or the SPD or both? They were both "left wing" and "socialists", but otherwise were very different.
Posting like this by fly-by trolls is pretty common in these and similar forums. Usually the poster never appears again. So prove me wrong; add some substantial comment on your thoughts about these subjects to these threads you started.