7th Cav?

True - my co-worker's father-in-law saw a Commercial airliner performing large circuits in the sky over his house (they live near an airport) and has convinced himself that it was an Al-Qaeeda fighter jet that was spying on his town...

 

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Thanks for the flowers greig , I'll try to rise to deserve your brick bats
ricky , your co-worker father in law sound like fun ,

Far from me to stick the dallas shooting to the Klan , they weren't that organised, however the stars and bars flew all over the south
as for the nature of the event , it is a perfect morass of near falsehoods and half truths
the critical facts being the nature of lee harvey oswald and the manner of his death, the only facts in a sea of allegations

it must be pointed out that the best place to hide a conspiracy is inside a conspiracy theory .it's also the best place to identifie and neutralize any witnesses or facts by drowning them in a sea of ever wilder allegations

as the proverb says there are fifty ways of lying , fourty nine include some truth

the only real conspiracy is not even a secret , its an historical phenomena
the slow decay of all democraties , eaten from inside by the selfishness of its elites in increasingly open conflict with its laboring masses

invictus


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so...who killed jfk?

 

... Oficially a lone socialist , ex marine , probably working both sides
... possibly a mafia hit with the silent non-intervention of j. e. Hoover
... the CIA of course , except that it worked, so that put them out of the picture, they were sleeping in the dog house but during the missiles crisis ,they sat tight and did their intel job properly
....the cubans , fidel was sick and tired of all those lame attempts , he is supposed to have given a hint via mexico
.... the russians , I seriously doubt that , not their style at all
.... extreme right wings element in the U.S. it's pretty much american M.O. and he had less friends alive than dead
.... the masons
.....etc etc

after so many theories and inquiries the trail is fouled up , the warren comission did a cover job but it does't means anything ,
that what all comissions do
I suspect a rat , the shooting was weird
l.h.oswald getting bumped off , then the brother ,is setting up alarm bells , but .... I hardly care ,
long run it did not change anything and I think nixon was a far better president anyway

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Yikes! I'd like to hear why you think "Tricky Dicky" was a good president (or is ti just better than JFK?). He'd be near the bottom of my list of good presidents.

 

Nixon only had to be better than LBJ which wasn't hard to do. Nixon did loose his first run for the White House to JFK though.

BTW, I know several folks who believe LBJ had JFK assassinated. They claim it's the only way he was ever going to be President.

 

LBJ wouldn't have been involved , but some of his contacts might , without him being informed...put it in the far right wing box

Nixon had an outstanding foreign policy ,
not the least getting the U.S. out of the vietnamese bog ,
stanchly standing by israel while keeping them on a leash ,
doing some serious disarmement talk with the soviets ,
seizing the faint signals from peking and doing the incredible , going there , totaly reversing forty years of foreign policy

on the home front
he coped with the first oil shock and a lousy economy
his war on drugs had a rehab side ,dropped by sucessive governments ,
he pursued the great society of jonhson an the space program
while massaging the economy totally stuffed by the democrats war in asia ,the moon at any cost and social programs like if there would be no fiscal tomorow
his election and reelection proved his deep harmony with the american people , keep in mind that he had more vote than kennedy and stand with tilden and gore in the line up of shafted candidates
though not the greatest president , he had a difficult watch, one can be a good american and acknowledge his merits.

talking of conspiracy , he got the rap for approving an after the event cover up
every presidents before or since had used the agency of the state to further their party interests ,
He was the victim of a demolition job ....like jimmy carter

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Agree with Jeag,
On the foreign policy front there has never been a better president than Nixon... Particularily in regard to America's relationship with China, with whom foreign relations simply did not exist before his efforts to communicate... His willingness to overlook and accept China's recognition (or lack thereof) of Taiwan's sovreignty going no small way to achieving this end... It soothed relations with the East and even gave assurance to the USSR, enough perhaps that it allowed the two to begin the demilitirisation talks which would eventually lead to the SALT treaties (another of Nixon's accomplishments)

Its just such a pity about watergate...

 

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Smeg , it looks like the proverb is true about not being apreciated in one's own country ,
at least nixon got a fair hearing across the pacific ,
..... he probably got a fan club in tasmania



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It wouldn't suprise me...

After all, Tasmania already has its fair share of fan clubs

 

nixon had a real hardon for the dems after they stole the 62 election with mafia ( teamsters ) help ...the watergate burglery was a silly fiasco and it was the coverup that doomed nixon ,he really was a good leader but alas not handsome like jfk and liberals hated him worse than even reagan and gw...

 

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don't forget that kennedy campaigned on a imaginary missile gap ,
when in fact the U.S had a quantitative superiority of 4/1 and a qualitative of 10/1 . it got the soviets really spooked !

nixon was the VP of the president who went on national television warning american citizen of the danger of the military-industrial lobby

kennedy was the first matinee idol prez made by the TV , for the TV

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Using modern technologies and reenactors, it was recently proven that Oswald was, in all probability, the shooter of JFK, acting alone. Computer models using the trajectory information showed that the bullets were all fired from the book depository, while a reenactment using them same type of rifle and limo on a closed course showed that Oswald's rifle could easily have fired all of the shots within the time frame, which the conspiracy nuts have long denied.

In another reenactment, a young man who was Oswald's age, height, build, and approximate physical condition, wearing the same type of clothes that Oswald wore that day, was chosen to see if Oswald could have fired the shots and then gotten down to the lunch room where the Dallas police officer ran into Oswald without Oswald being out of breath, sweaty, etc, in the short amouint of time between the shooting and the meeting. BTW, Oliver Stone's movie "JFK" positively asserts that this was impossible. Well, they found a building that was a admirable replica of the book depository (which is now a museum), laid out a path that duplicated the one Oswald would have had to take, then had the reenactor follow that route while being timed with a stopwatch. He did not run, just walked quickly, and made it to the "lunch room" with plenty of time to spare and not even slightly winded.

None of this will silence the conspiracy types, who want their hero to have died at the hands of a vast conspiracy instead of at the hands of one lone shooter acting for who knows why. But I believe that the Warren Commission actually got it right, whether or not they actually intended to or not.

 

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That seems good enought for me ,
every great event bring turmoil and rumors , particulary for the assasination of proeminents people
The big advantage of the lone gunman theory is that ruthlessly efficient organisations exist only in movies ,
most of the times it's stuff up times , the greatest number of people involved , the greatest the chance of something going wrong

That's why i'm in awe at the NASA , to lauch and retrieved the moon missions was an organisationnal himalaya


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