Aid payments

What is your point? I was not denying this. By the way, as you can see in that graph, the Netherlands recieved $3 million in 1953, hardly enough to repair the dikes of Zeeland. I'm afraid the Delta works were financed by the Dutch themselves.

check the details....

The Netherlands 1,083.5

that is one thousand million dollars..


My point?



1914 Eupopean War

1939 European War

1964 .... most likely no European Economic Union, more likely another war, as had been the obvious pattern.



>What I said, and you must not take this out of context or proportion, >was that some people have argued that the Marshall Plan did nothing >but speed up the recovery of Europe by six months.

Do you have a source for this?



Maybe you should research who paid forr the 1953 repairs..

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=n ... es+holland

www.google.com marshall plan dikes holland

1 Billion USD was a lot of money in 1953..


http://www.livinghistoryfarm.org/farmin ... ey_06.html

 

SEE LINK

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/marshall/im ... adbare.jpg

Dutch View of the Marshall Plan
Many European governments produced materials to explain the Marshall Plan to their citizens, such as this booklet printed by the Ministry of Economic Affairs of the Netherlands. The text and artwork are by Jo Spier (1900-1978), a Dutch, Jewish artist and writer who had been imprisoned in a German concentration camp during World War II and who emigrated to the U.S. in 1951.

A note in this English edition states that the original Dutch version, published in November 1949, was distributed to employers and employees, professional groups, teachers, students, and other groups in the Netherlands. It reached 2.5 million readers out of a total population of 10 million, a quarter of the nation.

Jo Spier. "The Marshall Plan and You."
The Hague, the Netherlands: Ministry of Economic Affairs, 1949, p.5.
Averell Harriman Papers, Manuscript Division.
Used by permission of the government of the Netherlands.
All rights reserved. (10)

 

No, you check the details. The grand total of $1.124 billion was recieved in the course of five years, and only $3 million was sent in 1953, the year of the Disaster in Zeeland. This is shown by the link you provided yourself.

The European Union was a European initiative since the very early beginnings, initiated by French and German politicians who were attempting to be more competitive with the US. After WW2 the "never again" impression was quite firmly set in most of Europe.

Prof. Dr. Richard T. Griffiths.

This search yields nothing very useful. When searching for information in reply to your previous post, however, I found that the Delta Works were paid for out of private grants and international aid. Not Marshall Plan funding, though probably still in part from the US.

 

>After WW2 the "never again" impression was quite firmly set in most of Europe.


Oh, yeah, kinda like the war to end all wars, now I remember..



Organisation for European Economic Co-operation

http://www.oecd.org/document/48/0,2340, ... _1,00.html

The Organisation for European Economic Co-operation; (OEEC) came into being on 16 April 1948. It emerged from the Marshall Plan and the Conference of Sixteen (Conference for European Economic Co-operation), which sought to establish a permanent organisation to continue work on a joint recovery programme and in particular to supervise the distribution of aid. The headquarters of the Organisation was in the Chateau de la Muette in Paris, France.


That is their official version...



Later, Sunday dinner & all..

 

http://www.marshallfoundation.org/

search on the word 'dike'

 

Source
Road to recovery, The Marshall Plan. Its Importance for the Netherlands and European Cooperation. The Hague: Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Directorate-General for the Economic and Military Aid Program, 1954
Copyright
Ministerie van Buitenlandse Zaken


my pop up blockers stopped this one..

819 Millions total, 3 million 1953

 

Panzerman
There's a difference between not knowing the location of cities and not knowing the location of countries.

Stonewall
Don't forget that the US got its money worth from Denmark, i.e. access to the Thule airbase, which was signed over the the US by Kaufmann even though Kaufmann didn't have a mandate to do so (and was in fact acting directly against the Danish constitution in doing so).

Roel
There is a difference between foreign aid and helping people. Foreign aid doesn't help foreign countries, it only keeps them poor. Foreign aid could be removed entirely if EU and North American trade barriers against agricultural products were removed.

 

The EU did not develop from the OEEC but from the ECCS or whatever it is called in English.

Christian: I don't think I've been saying on here that foreign aid helps anyone. I don't think it does. If I've said this then it was a mistake on my part.

 

The EEC? European Economic Community?
There have been so many similar groupings that I'm not really sure.


Does foreign aid help? Well, if it is cash or kind that is simply used to kickstart economic growth (like the Marshall Plan was), then it must, surely. If it is a continual 'your economy is crap so here is money/food/whatever just to keep you afloat' then yes, it is more harmful than anything else. It just creates a dependance that can go horribly wrong in so many ways...

 

No, the EEC was later. I'm talking about the Coal and Steel thing.

 

Was Britain in that? A lot of the early collaborative efforts were instigated by France & Germany, and Britain either stayed away or wasn't alowed in

 

Actually most people that go into debt in America over spent on Credit cards, too much borrowing from banks etc, etc.

 

If you are saying the marshall plan paid for the dikes then you ar wrong.

 

Who says you HAVE to be the worlds police?[/quote]

I wish we wouldnt have to be anything just site at home and let every one else fight there wars ...........

 

Well that is why America is preventing Russia from becoming a superpower again or so claims Time magazine.

 

Well Bush said he has plans to Invade Iran .Great this is gonan be a bad time to be living in America . Also before you say anything about Bush never said that he did in a speach the other day .They also had it on the news . If we do invade ......... Nvm I dont wanna talk about it

 

But I do, America had plans to invade Canada in the 30s that dont mean they got around to doing it. Ya its true some crazy old guy who ha dnothing better to do was looking thru archives at the pentagon a couple months back and he showed it on thatone time when they had a piece on anti-americanism in Canada and how americans knew very little about Canada and Canada knew so much about them.

 

Well, Canada has never properly apologized for being a launch pad for attacks on the US, so I would only consider it fair... :-?

 

Have they apologized for burning down the White House?

Seriously though. States should only be required to apologize for things they are responsible for. The current Canadian government cannot be held responsible for actions of Canadians or actions on Canadian soil while the country was still a Dominion or even before that.

 

Canada wasnt totally free until 1982 when her majesty Queen Elizabeth II signed the constituational act. The constitutional act of 1982 that allowed Canada to partiate the constituion without approval of monarchy in Great Britian, at that tiem Queen Elizabeth II and still now.