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Australia to spend $270b building larger military

Discussion in 'Free Fire Zone' started by CAC, Jun 30, 2020.

  1. bronk7

    bronk7 Well-Known Member

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    ...come on Takao.... it has to do with comparing the 2 battles---they were totally different ...you are trying to say they are comparable
     
  2. bronk7

    bronk7 Well-Known Member

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    ..you are playing board games again:
    ...remember humans are involved...there's more to it than moving pieces on a board
    ..from page 26--
    ....''''of the [ Argentinian ] aircraft available to reach the Falklands, only a small proportion were crewed by men fully trained to attack ships.'''
    ...so, it's not like the Argies are some SUPER force....

    .....remember in the Yom Kippur War, the Israelis took some big losses....and they were very experienced and had beat the crap out of the Arabs before....they were undeniably not weak--but they took mucho losses
    ..taking losses does not necessarily mean weak
     
  3. CAC

    CAC Ace of Spades

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    What I don't understand is why the Argentines didn't attack the British force on the way to the Falklands? I would have had a wolf pack of subs waiting for them.
     
  4. Takao

    Takao Ace

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    Well, the Argentinians had only 3 active submarines. There was a 4th that had been decommissioned early in 1981, but it would take too long to get her back into service.

    The ARA Santa Fe was being used mostly to haul troops & supplies to forces already in the Falklands.

    The ARA Silvas(sp?)had just completed refit, but there were errors in it's refit, and the boat was very noisy submerged. This was not corrected until after the war ended.

    The only real possibility was the ARA San Luis. This would later be discovered to not be a possibility at all. More later.

    Why not attack the British earlier in mid ocean...They simply did not know where it was. The had some mediocre surface search aircraft, but only had 2 air refueling tankers. So a very long range search is all but out of the question. Argentina could not afford to have a submarine fruitlessly patrolling the South Atlantic far from the expected point of contact.

    Also, after a long arduous patrol, the boat would be down for some weeks undergoing maintenance. Shorter patrols would greatly reduce the downtime.

    Back to the San Luis...Although she sighted & attacked the British on at least 2 occasions, she never hit British ships. Various sources have attributed this to errors in the torpedoes, fire control system, or both.
     
  5. CAC

    CAC Ace of Spades

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    Well that answers that... : )
     
  6. Takao

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    Seriously...Get over yourself...Your the only one playing board games here.

    That would be just peachy...If anyone had said the Argentinians were SUPER.
    Unfortunately, no one has said the Argentinians were super.

    Remember, you said the British were STRONG...I would think you should be mentioning British strengths.

    Your joking right?

    Do you REMEMBER why the Israelis took such mucho a/c losses during Yom Kippur? Hint...It was not Arab pilots. Another hint...It was not something they had trained for, prepared for, and were totally INEXPERIENCED against.
    Do you know now?

    Stengths & Weaknesses, my friend, Strengths & Weaknesses.

    Just because one is strong in one area, does not mean one is strong in all areas. You forget this.
     
  7. Takao

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    There were rumors that the Soviets were passing along SIGINT(warship SATCOMMs, locations, and such), but to the best of my knowledge these were just rumors.

    Maybe, just maybe, any Soviet information, might have been something to plot an intercept on. But, with the San Luis's bum gear, it would not have done any good.
     
  8. Class of '42

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    Well good for Australia to build up defenses with the latest available...China is definitely the big threat..remembered the Falklands War well..got married May 16th, 1982..right in the middle of it...the Exocet missile was a big surprise for the British.
     
  9. Poppy

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    ...also the UK use of javelin, which probably helped them win the land battle.
    recalling how upset the args were when the Belgrano was sunk...
    Britain was right to sink the Belgrano
     
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  10. Takao

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    Huh?

    Neither, the UK Staburst/Javelin MANPADS or the US Javelin ATGM were around then. The MANPADS came about in the late 80's & the ATGM in the mid 90s.

    The UK used Rapier as their SAM, Blowpipe for the MANPADS, and Milan as their ATGM.
     
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    hmm.
    thought i recalled use of missiles by UK infantry against fortified/rock emplacements.
    maybe not javelin... ugh. ill look for the book.
     
  12. Takao

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    Ah, that would be the MILAN ATGM then.
     
  13. bronk7

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    ..I thought I read something like that also, in Military History magazine or History magazine...yes, where they assaulted fortified/rock emplacements--''high'' up?/hills? ....I thought they didn't have a 3-1 ratio either
     
  14. Takao

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    Yes, the lacked heavy direct fire guns, so they made due with firing MILANs. They had LAW rockets & Carl Gustavs, but they were not so good. MILAN were also used to destroy Argentinian bunkers, often being guided through the open gun ports.
     
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    ..sounds logical....didn't they have to make a long hump [ I forgot the word they used for it..we called them humps ]? ....
     
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    Yes, they had a long hump from San Carlos to Stanley. No to mention all the joys of cold rain, snow, and near freezing temperatures.

    Sorry i can't provide more info ATM. Old laptop motherboard fried, but HD still good. New laptop up and running. Bought an enclosure for old laptop HD an converted it to an external HD for new laptop. Next up transferring files from old HD to new HD.
     
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    ...good luck .....I'm not a computer guy..I had to look that up
     

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