Welcome to the WWII Forums! Log in or Sign up to interact with the community.

bombing of the barn, my Dads story

Discussion in 'WWII General' started by bigfun, Oct 16, 2007.

  1. Stevin

    Stevin Ace

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2002
    Messages:
    2,883
    Likes Received:
    26
    Never say never! :D
     
    Skipper likes this.
  2. Skipper

    Skipper Kommodore

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2006
    Messages:
    24,985
    Likes Received:
    2,386
    I am not giving up, there are other aircrafts that could be involved. I said earlier that the Kattegat (Denmark) aircrafts were out because of the the time, but in fact they could be around (you said it was early in the morning). This narrows the search because Hannover was a day/evening mission.
     
  3. bigfun

    bigfun Ace

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2007
    Messages:
    3,851
    Likes Received:
    217
    Location:
    Karlsruhe, Baden-Wurtemburg, Germany
    well okay!
    let's keep digging!! i'm with you!
    my Father did originally say that it was in the morning but my Aunt just remembers it being very dark, so i'm not real sure. It could have been very early morning?
     
  4. Skipper

    Skipper Kommodore

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2006
    Messages:
    24,985
    Likes Received:
    2,386
    Yes , this is my point . The aircrafts that crashed near Denmark crashed around 23.30 , so one criplled one could perfectly have been over Holland an hour later and jetison a little present on the barn.
     
  5. bigfun

    bigfun Ace

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2007
    Messages:
    3,851
    Likes Received:
    217
    Location:
    Karlsruhe, Baden-Wurtemburg, Germany
    :rofl:
    you crack me up skipper!

    i understand, the timing is just right you're saying. maybe that's it!!
     
  6. Skipper

    Skipper Kommodore

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2006
    Messages:
    24,985
    Likes Received:
    2,386
    Possibly, but there is absolutely no evidence at this point, so let's be careful. I will need to check the cargo of these aircrcrafts (Wellingtons and Stirlings) and what the mines were made of. I know the regular bobms had TNT and Amatol, but I will need to check the weight and the amount of destructive material. A mine doesn't neceseraly make more damage than a cookie, I suppose, but again this is speculation so now I will need to work my sapper skills.
    Maybe they carried some small bombs for opportunity targets too?
     
  7. Joe

    Joe Ace

    Joined:
    May 22, 2007
    Messages:
    2,948
    Likes Received:
    125
    Having just realized that a Mossie could carry six 500lb bombs(or 4000lb in total), that almost certainly rules out a Mosquito dropping the bombs.
     
  8. Erich

    Erich Alte Hase

    Joined:
    May 13, 2001
    Messages:
    14,439
    Likes Received:
    617
    anyone -Stevin checked out the Danes site on the north air war at night ~ Denmark and associated areas ? maybe Gardening was well in cased in 42, as it well could of been a Stirling ? or and off track or chased and it dumped it's load slowly..........

    just two cents worth of thought
     
  9. Skipper

    Skipper Kommodore

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2006
    Messages:
    24,985
    Likes Received:
    2,386
    My thoughts too Erich, Stirling or Wellington. Both were around that night.
     
  10. Erich

    Erich Alte Hase

    Joined:
    May 13, 2001
    Messages:
    14,439
    Likes Received:
    617
  11. Erich

    Erich Alte Hase

    Joined:
    May 13, 2001
    Messages:
    14,439
    Likes Received:
    617
    another question bigfun how far inland was your parents home from the coast ? a different scenario is going through my small mind
     
  12. Skipper

    Skipper Kommodore

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2006
    Messages:
    24,985
    Likes Received:
    2,386
    Getting really close now! Here is evidence that criplled minelayers got into Dutch land and dropped mines on land in Holland and in 1942..

    The story of a Kiwi crew :

    "of those which did return bore marks of encounters with the enemy's defences. On some occasions it was only sheer determination on the part of the pilot which got the aircraft back safely. One night in November 1942 the Wellington captained by Sergeant Wright 1 was among the small force detailed to lay mines at a certain point off the Dutch coast. On reaching the area the bomber flew inland in order to pinpoint a landmark from which it could return to drop the mines in the correct position. While crossing the coast, the Wellington was sharply engaged by ground defences and twice attacked by a night fighter. Both Wright and his navigator, Sergeant Johnston,2 were seriously injured when a shell exploded inside the aircraft. Although wounded in five places, including his right hand, and weakened by loss of blood and shock, Wright kept the machine airborne and, after the mines had been dropped, flew it back across the sea. Eventually, held and supported by his bomb aimer, he made a good landing at an airfield near the English coast and then collapsed at the controls as the aircraft came to rest".
     
  13. Skipper

    Skipper Kommodore

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2006
    Messages:
    24,985
    Likes Received:
    2,386
  14. bigfun

    bigfun Ace

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2007
    Messages:
    3,851
    Likes Received:
    217
    Location:
    Karlsruhe, Baden-Wurtemburg, Germany
    ok i have to pick up my Dad at the airport tonight, so i will see if any of this jars his memory!
    i suppose the mine that the painter found was a different type? supposedly to be used on the bridge.
     
    Skipper likes this.
  15. Skipper

    Skipper Kommodore

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2006
    Messages:
    24,985
    Likes Received:
    2,386
    We"ll be waiting for his comments, in the meantime I'll keep on looking.
     
  16. bigfun

    bigfun Ace

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2007
    Messages:
    3,851
    Likes Received:
    217
    Location:
    Karlsruhe, Baden-Wurtemburg, Germany
    well our conversation did not turn up anything new, except to say that he needs to call a friend in Canada who is older than my Father and might remember more!
     
  17. Skipper

    Skipper Kommodore

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2006
    Messages:
    24,985
    Likes Received:
    2,386
    I have a friend who knows a lot about mines. I will ask him and let you know whether this kind of damage would be caused by a mine.
     
  18. Erich

    Erich Alte Hase

    Joined:
    May 13, 2001
    Messages:
    14,439
    Likes Received:
    617
    between the wet riding today I was searching through the volumes today on aerial mines....................nothing, think we need something much more specialized as the way of text and photos - would they have been parachute dropped like the LW I wonder ?

    E
     
  19. bigfun

    bigfun Ace

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2007
    Messages:
    3,851
    Likes Received:
    217
    Location:
    Karlsruhe, Baden-Wurtemburg, Germany
    that sounds good, Skipper, as soon as my Dad talks to his friend i will post the info!!
    thanks again guys!!
     
  20. bigfun

    bigfun Ace

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2007
    Messages:
    3,851
    Likes Received:
    217
    Location:
    Karlsruhe, Baden-Wurtemburg, Germany
    Well my father talked with his Canadian friend from back home and he gave me a name of W. Wiersma who is a big Ten Post historian. So hopefully I will get his email and talk with him very soon. Also you guys were dead on about the bridge my dads friend said that it was indeed blown up by the germans on their retreat!

    Stevin, do you know this man Wiersma?
    btw you were right this research is addicting!! my aunts and uncles are already a little tired of me bugging them for thier input into this!
    more later!
     

Share This Page